One of Palo Alto's busiest and most dangerous intersections will soon be equipped with larger sidewalks, new signs and bulbouts and a pedestrian island in the middle of the crosswalk.
The city's effort to add a host of streetscape improvements to the intersection of El Camino Real and Stanford Avenue will kick off next month, when construction workers break ground. The City Council, the Planning and Transportation Commission and Architectural Review Board all approved the project in early 2010.
The project, which is funded by a $1.3 million federal transportation grant, will affect all four corners of the intersection and includes larger sidewalks, and new seats, trees, benches and lighting fixtures. The "pork chop" island on El Camino Real would be eliminated while a pedestrian refuge would be installed in the middle of the crosswalk.
The goal is to slow traffic down and make the intersection safer and more attractive for pedestrians and bicyclists.
City Manager James Keene said at last week's City Council meeting that the city's contractor will begin to place signs notifying the public about the construction in early March. The project will include lane closures at night.
Construction is scheduled to be completed in October, Keene said.
Comments
Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Feb 22, 2011 at 10:03 am
on Feb 22, 2011 at 10:03 am
> The goal is to slow traffic down and make the intersection
> safer and more attractive for pedestrians and bicyclists
Since this idea was first proposed, has anyone generated a list of accidents at this location? If not, then how is the $1.3M make this location "safer" without a valid historical baseline to work from?
Green Acres
on Feb 22, 2011 at 10:26 am
on Feb 22, 2011 at 10:26 am
Frankly, i would rather fix it than to have someone die, such as happened in Atherton, recently.
Another dangerous section of El Camino is at Arastradero Road where the bike lanes vanish, the crossing guards attend, but only during the two school times, though bikers cross this area 24/7. There are many children and elderly moving across these streets. I would rather err on the conserving side.
another community
on Feb 22, 2011 at 10:43 am
on Feb 22, 2011 at 10:43 am
For those who don't know exactly where this is, here's a link to a map: Web Link
Stanford
on Feb 22, 2011 at 10:44 am
on Feb 22, 2011 at 10:44 am
Another example of College Terrace getting whatever they want. Busiest and most dangerous?? I could think of plenty of intersections that are busier and just as dangerous. But I guess College Terrace has to get something after the "trauma" of the Facebook shuttles and the "beloved" JJ&Z leaving.
Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Feb 22, 2011 at 10:57 am
on Feb 22, 2011 at 10:57 am
Traffic-fraud. I agree with your questions. After this another grant that will make California Ave. safer, etc... I didn't know there was an out pour of safety issues on these streets. Palo Alto wastes taxpayers dollars, just read POST's editorial last week.
South of Midtown
on Feb 22, 2011 at 10:59 am
on Feb 22, 2011 at 10:59 am
Actually, the data supports the crash rate claim. This is a heavily used intersection for all modes of transportation--as is the Arastradero/El Camino intersection. They both are school and work commute routes that must serve all road users better. These intersections are also unsafe for motorists. The intersectios NEEDS this work. The project was supported by plenty of people outside of College Terrace neighborhood who use the intersection to get to school and to work. Did you go to the hearings? Did you read the staff report? Judging from your ill-informed comments, I'd bet not.
This is a terrific project...a long-time coming.
Old Palo Alto
on Feb 22, 2011 at 11:09 am
on Feb 22, 2011 at 11:09 am
"The goal is to slow traffic down..."
El Camino is a thoroughfare. Slowing traffic down will lead to decreased throughput and frustrated drivers. Doesn't sound like a very safe combination.
Stanford
on Feb 22, 2011 at 11:13 am
on Feb 22, 2011 at 11:13 am
"El Camino is a thoroughfare. Slowing traffic down will lead to decreased throughput and frustrated drivers."
Haven't you heard? The goal of the city is to frustrate drivers so that they will abandon their cars and walk, bike or take public transportation. that is why Arastradero is being narrowed, as well as California Avenue. You should know by now that there is "too much traffic in Palo Alto" and "even one additional car trip into the city is too many".
College Terrace
on Feb 22, 2011 at 11:22 am
on Feb 22, 2011 at 11:22 am
The Mercury-News had an article last year saying that Stanford Ave & El Camino had some of the highest numbers of car vs. pedestrian and car vs. bicycle crashes in all of Santa Clara County. Lots of cars run red lights here (in multiple directions) and the very wide street crossing leaves pedestrians vulnerable for a long period of time.
Downtown North
on Feb 22, 2011 at 11:24 am
on Feb 22, 2011 at 11:24 am
forcing folks out of there cars but to where? not everyone can ride a bike or are close enough to destination points to walk. people would take public transportation if there was a good reliable pubic transport system... take a look at stanford, they have a great free transport system, the Marguerite, but you've got to get to it to use it. most likely this is irrelevant to the university. doesn't much matter how you get to campus as long as you just get close and don't drive on to it...
Stanford
on Feb 22, 2011 at 11:28 am
on Feb 22, 2011 at 11:28 am
"Lots of cars run red lights here (in multiple directions) and the very wide street crossing leaves pedestrians vulnerable for a long period of time."
I drive by this intersection many times early in the AM (before 6AM) on El Camino. With no traffic or pedestrians waiting on Stanford Ave, the lights on El Camino will trun red and will sit there for 2-3 minutes waiting for the light to turn green again. This light has a very long cycle. One thing I did notice is that there is no dedicated turn arrow for cars coming on Stanford. Is this street really any wider than other part sof El Camino in Palo Alto?
South of Midtown
on Feb 22, 2011 at 11:59 am
on Feb 22, 2011 at 11:59 am
I believe that the intent is primarily to slow down **turning** traffic, not traffic going straight on El Camino. The wide sweeping turns on the west side encourage unsafely fast turns at the moment.
This project began years ago, before Facebook moved from downtown to College Terrace.
Meadow Park
on Feb 22, 2011 at 12:40 pm
on Feb 22, 2011 at 12:40 pm
Just another perk for North Palo Alto and College Terrace. When is the City going to complete San Antonio Road so the trucks don't keep using Charleston to avoid the bumps and over-hanging trees on San Antonio.
Our City's administration has it's priorities all wrong.
Southgate
on Feb 22, 2011 at 12:41 pm
on Feb 22, 2011 at 12:41 pm
With the possibly insurmountable fiscal and infrastructure shortfalls the US faces, how does a Federal "transportation grant" end up as:
"...larger sidewalks, and new seats, trees, benches and lighting fixtures..."
Meanwhile....Caltrain can't afford to run their trains. Does anyone else realize that "grants" aren't actually free money? Maybe Palo Alto should consider doing something truly altruistic: stop applying for all these grants. We're not what they call a "disadvantaged community", so why do we apply for grants for this, Cal Ave train station beautification, LED streetlights, and neighborly comparison of electricity usage?
College Terrace
on Feb 22, 2011 at 1:40 pm
on Feb 22, 2011 at 1:40 pm
Gail, Busy Intersection, Donald,
Can one of you, or anyone else, please inform us what involvement College Terrace residents have had in the redesign of the El Camino/Stanford intersection?
I live in College Terrace and haven't heard anything about the College Terrace residents ever being consulted or having anything to do with this project at all. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Greenmeadow
on Feb 22, 2011 at 4:03 pm
on Feb 22, 2011 at 4:03 pm
I dont know where that picture is from, but it sure isnt from Stanford Avenue. Personally, I almost got hit by 2 cars crossing this street the day before yesterday, and people making left hand turns from Stanford ave to El Camino usually don't stop for through traffic. Starbucks also causes frequent traffic related problems.
As far as I am concerned this intersection is not a part of college terrace. They can stick to screwing up California Avenue.
Greenmeadow
on Feb 22, 2011 at 4:11 pm
on Feb 22, 2011 at 4:11 pm
Wow. I just looked at the attached blueprint, and this looks like a total waste of money. Doing absolutely nothing, but grabbing a transportation grant to do some landscaping for the new Stanford housing.
Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Feb 22, 2011 at 4:14 pm
on Feb 22, 2011 at 4:14 pm
A prominent member of your community works in the Transportation Department.
Midtown
on Feb 22, 2011 at 4:21 pm
on Feb 22, 2011 at 4:21 pm
Dan, you are absolutely right. The project, like California Ave., is the wrong way to spend scarce funds.
Without these projects and grants, would we really need so many people in the transportation department?
The 1998 transportation plan, which is part of the comp plan, says
“When constructing or modifying roadways, plan for usage of the roadway space by ALL users, including motor vehicles, transit vehicles, bicyclists, and pedestrians.”
BUT, then goes on to say: “Evaluate smoothing and SLOWING traffic flow in commercial areas by reducing through-traffic lanes and trading the area for improved turning lanes, landscaping, and bicycle lanes.” (My emphasis added).
It’s pretty clear that the city’s goal is to make drivers suffer, in spite of the fact that all the new housing and the Stanford expansion will create more car traffic.
The more drivers get frustrated on the choked arterials, the more they will take short cuts through residential streets.
University South
on Feb 22, 2011 at 4:42 pm
on Feb 22, 2011 at 4:42 pm
Why does the United States federal government have an interest in the condition of the sidewalks of one intersection in Palo Alto? Why should people in Maine, Kentucky, and every other state pay for benches on our sidewalks? If this is worth $1.3M to us, we should reject the grant and pay for it ourselves.
Evergreen Park
on Feb 22, 2011 at 4:58 pm
on Feb 22, 2011 at 4:58 pm
This is such a busy intersection with children and adults crossing on foot and bicyclists galore, elementary through college. Adding to the frenzy are cars going west to east and east to west, some making left turns, others going straight, many not signaling their intent. On certain weekdays around 8:00 am, I make a left turn from Stanford Avenue onto El Camino headed south and there's too much activity to keep track of. I am so careful, yet I worry each time I make the left turn that I have missed someone or something.
I am so happy plans are underway to make this intersection safer.
Palo Alto High School
on Feb 22, 2011 at 5:03 pm
on Feb 22, 2011 at 5:03 pm
I recently had to drive to an event in this neighborhood and used my GPS to find the address. Big Joke. The GPS tried to take me through street after street with barriers. I eventually found the address, but had an even harder time trying to find my way out. I needed to ask twice for direcetions.
This and other neighborhoods have no idea that most of the cars visiting them or their neighbors drive round far longer because of these barriers and the frustration they feel can make them less vigilant because they are too busy looking for a way out!
Triple El
on Feb 22, 2011 at 6:15 pm
on Feb 22, 2011 at 6:15 pm
Oh Well, it's only $1.3 million... Kinda funny nothing was mentioned about increased traffic (auto, bike, pedestrian)in the environmental impact report or traffic studies that made this "dangerous" intersection even more "dangerous" when Stanford built new housing on Stanford Ave. Guess the city could have required Stanford to ponie up money for the intersection improvement, but what the heck, let federal and state taxpayers fix problems created by incompetent local politicians and city management. What a pity.
University South
on Feb 22, 2011 at 7:17 pm
on Feb 22, 2011 at 7:17 pm
I'm also one of the people who is a little surprised to read that this was considered a particuarly dangerous intersection. I would have thought that the El Camino/Embarcadero-Galvez intersection was more dangerous.
College Terrace
on Feb 22, 2011 at 7:43 pm
on Feb 22, 2011 at 7:43 pm
Would it be cheaper for the city to post a couple of cops at this intersection every day during rush hour to bust the red light runners? In the long run, maybe not. The city cannot keep the money from these citations. The city does have a responsibility to improve safety at known dangerous road locations. Unfortunately, in the vast majority of crashes at this intersection, the innocent person is the one getting hurt (i.e. the pedestrian in the crosswalk with the green light).
South of Midtown
on Feb 22, 2011 at 8:20 pm
on Feb 22, 2011 at 8:20 pm
I can't believe that people are complaining that the city is working to improve one of the most dangerous intersections in the whole county. The complaints should be about it taking so long.
Charleston Gardens
on Feb 22, 2011 at 8:35 pm
on Feb 22, 2011 at 8:35 pm
Donald, you have been listening to the college terrace/there is took much traffic in the city/cars are evil gang for too long. One of the "most dangerous intersections" in the county. Only in palo alto
Crescent Park
on Feb 22, 2011 at 10:18 pm
on Feb 22, 2011 at 10:18 pm
Please also consider installing a traffic light at the intersection
of the south and north bound access ramps from Alma to Oregon Expressway going west. Getting on to Oregon Expressway going west is challenging and at least occasionally results in a low impact rear end accident between those coming off the Alma ramp and getting on Oregon Expressway going west. I have reported this intersection to the transportation folks at PA City Hall, but have not heard of any analysis or agreement that this intersection is not well designed and needs a traffic light.
Crescent Park
on Feb 23, 2011 at 2:13 am
on Feb 23, 2011 at 2:13 am
Really? Busiest/most dangerous intersection? If I didn't have a calendar right next to me, I'd swear it was April Fools Day.
South of Midtown
on Feb 23, 2011 at 7:11 am
on Feb 23, 2011 at 7:11 am
From the San Jose Mercury News on March 19, 2008:
And a Mercury News analysis of more than 10 years of traffic data from the California Highway Patrol points out that 16 percent of crashes -- although not necessarily fatalities -- happen on six stretches of road, places where both drivers and riders need to play it safe. They are: El Camino Real near Stanford Avenue, Palo Alto, nine crashes...
Stanford
on Feb 23, 2011 at 8:11 am
on Feb 23, 2011 at 8:11 am
Donald, please provide a link to the whole story.
Thanks, Pat, for your post. Many people do not realize that the city's goal is to frustrate drivers--yet they want shoppers and visitors--maybe they need to start a "Bike/Walk but do not drive to Palo Alto" campaign
Barron Park
on Feb 23, 2011 at 8:41 am
on Feb 23, 2011 at 8:41 am
Hey, if you have a 200-hp car that really accelerates, then it's no fair when streets are modified to slow traffic. Get those slowpokes off the road: don't they know I'm late for a super important meeting, yoga class, real estate deal, and a sale at Bloomie's?
Stanford
on Feb 23, 2011 at 10:03 am
on Feb 23, 2011 at 10:03 am
I use this intersection every day and every day I wish the city would put a stop sign at the Starbucks exit because people rocket out of that parking lot into busy traffic. This exit is right where Stanford Ave broadens a bit for cars making a right turn onto ECR. I never assume that I have the right of way at that intersection - actually driving on the road - because of the cars pulling out of Starbucks.
College Terrace
on Feb 23, 2011 at 11:02 am
on Feb 23, 2011 at 11:02 am
Whether this is the most dangerous intersection or the second most dangerous is really not the point. There are so many children on bikes crossing this intersection in both directions, and crazy drivers darting in and out of Starbucks and running the red lights. I have seen some very close calls, and I have also seen an ambulance tending bike riders down twice in the last six months. I would like everyone to slow down all along the El Camino corridor, especially when it means trying to race through a yellow or red light. El Camino and Embarcadero is also dangersous, as is Arastradero. Instead of arguing about whether it is really bad, can't we all do our best to make the whole section safer for the people travling on foot and bike?
Midtown
on Feb 23, 2011 at 12:12 pm
on Feb 23, 2011 at 12:12 pm
Another very dangerous intersection rivals this: in Midtown, the crossing of Middlefield and Colorado.
Cars and trucks RIP through this intersection at 40+ mph, and pedestrians standing at one of the four corners are literally a foot to 1 1/2 feet away from huge SUV's blasting by.
I've been afraid enough to stand in the middle of the sidewalk, away from the edge, yet I still feel unprotected. Kids with bicycles going to or coming from school (Jordan, El Carmelo); families going to Baskin Robbins; elderly going to Safeway; friends meeting at the corner Starbucks-- all desireable activity, but the Middlefield "Expressway" is a dozen accidents waiting to happen.
Midtown
on Feb 23, 2011 at 12:42 pm
on Feb 23, 2011 at 12:42 pm
Seems to me that this money would be better spent on training drivers how to operate their vehicles and enforcing safe driving laws. Why must the government spend oodles iof money to idiot-proof every interesection while drivers are allowed to sail around town, chatting on cell phones, sipping Starbucks at the wheel. Eliminating the lackadaisical style of driving would be a better investment for safety all over the city, not just at this location.
Midtown
on Feb 23, 2011 at 1:52 pm
on Feb 23, 2011 at 1:52 pm
One of the reasons drivers run red lights is because (1) lights are so long, (2) traffic is congested and (3) they know they can get away with it.
The more frustrated they are, the more chances they'll take.
Why are there no traffic patrols handing out tickets and making money for the city? Nothing deters speeders and red-light runners more than knowing there's a high probability they'll get caught.
Triple El
on Feb 23, 2011 at 3:55 pm
on Feb 23, 2011 at 3:55 pm
Guess it doesn't matter what the public wants as discussed in the multiple posts above. The project moves forward with guaranteed federal funding and the federal budget goes $1.3 million more in debt. Oh well, it's only $1.3 million. Good luck to our kids to pay off our wish list projects. Thanks also to Stanford and city management for passing this debt along at no cost to themselves.
Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Feb 23, 2011 at 3:59 pm
on Feb 23, 2011 at 3:59 pm
pat says: "Why are there no traffic patrols" due to budget cuts they've been discontinued. Also, challenge a speeding ticket in Traffic Court, and you'll be let off - just too hard to prove with the 85th percentile law.
South of Midtown
on Feb 24, 2011 at 12:11 am
on Feb 24, 2011 at 12:11 am
California pays more to the Federal government than we get back. Money we don't get just goes to Texas or somewhere.
Evergreen Park
on Feb 24, 2011 at 12:24 am
on Feb 24, 2011 at 12:24 am
There's a key point that Pat and all the usual snide commenters who attack this project as evidence of the city's "goal to frustrate drivers" seem to be clueless about:
Since El Camino Real is a state highway, any proposed changes must go through Caltrans. If these safety improvements were to impact travel times for through drivers on El Camino Real, Caltrans would not have approved them. Period.
In fact, by straightening out the crosswalks and squaring the curbs, the minimum crossing times needed for pedestrians to get across El Camino Real is shorter. Which means that the green times for the six lanes of motor vehicles can be several seconds longer. Which means that more cars can get through each green, not fewer.
Some people believe that any safety improvements are a zero sum game where drivers lose and bicyclists and pedestrians win. That's just not true, no matter what those like Pat and other potshot takers keep repeating.
Yes, those drivers who are used to exiting from El Camino onto Stanford Avenue at 40 mph will now have to slow down, as they should when entering a two lane residential street. But that's just using engineering to get the results that traffic enforcement (even if there were funds, which there are not) would never be able to achieve.