California's proposed high-speed rail system would extend from the Central Valley to the Los Angeles Basin within the next decade and would cost $30 billion less than previous estimates indicated under a new business plan that the agency charged with building the system released Monday morning, April 2.
The revised and final business plan, which the California High-Speed Rail Authority's board of directors expects to discuss and approve on April 12, departs in many key ways from the draft the agency released in November. The new plan commits to building the system through a "blended" design under which high-speed rail and Caltrain would share two tracks on the Peninsula. It also calls for early investment in the northern and southern segments (known as the "bookends") of the San Francisco-to-Los Angeles line, including the long-awaited electrification of Caltrain on the Peninsula.
The revised plan also specifies for the first time that the first usable segment of the rail line would be a 300-mile segment from Central Valley south to the San Fernando Valley. This stretch, the plan states, "will be transformational in creating a passenger rail nexus between one of the fastest growing regions in the state with the state's largest population center."
This "initial operating section" would extend from Merced through Bakersfield and Palmdale to the San Fernando Valley, according to the business plan. The prior plan committed only to an "initial construction segment" -- a set of train-less test tracks between north of Bakersfield and south of Merced (this segment was characterized by many critics as a "train to nowhere").
At a press conference in Fresno Monday morning, the rail authority's board Chair Dan Richard emphasized the significance difference between the agency's previous proposal for the system's initial phase and the one laid out in the new business plan.
"Beginning next year, we will begin construction here in the Valley not of a mere track but a fully operational 300-mile electrified operating segment that will connect the valley to the Los Angeles Basin," Richard said.
"This will bring high-speed rail not only to California -- it will bring high-speed rail to America," he said.
The new business plan also offers a firmer commitment from the rail authority to improve Caltrain and to rely on existing tracks on the Peninsula. This marks a dramatic departure from the rail authority's initial vision for the system -- a four-track system along the Peninsula with high-speed rail on the inside tracks and Caltrain on the outside. The four-track design was widely panned, with many Peninsula residents and city officials expressed concerns about the seizure of property and the visual barriers a four-track system would necessitate.
The authority began to back away from the four-track design in its November business plan, which was amenable to the "blended" two-track approach. But the newly revised business plan cements its commitment to the blended design, which was first proposed a year ago by State Sen. Joe Simitian, D-Palo Alto, U.S. Rep. Anna Eshoo, D-Palo Alto, and state Assemblyman Rich Gordon, D-Menlo Park.
"Benefits will be delivered faster through the adoption of the blended approach and through investment in the bookends," the new plan states. "Across the state, transportation systems will be improved and jobs will be created through the implementation of these improvements."
The blended approach, which places a greater emphasis on improving existing infrastructure than the four-track design, is expected shave more than 30 percent off the $98.5 billion price tag cited in the November plan. The new document pegs the cost of the San Francisco-to-Los Angeles system at $68.4 billion. That figure remains significantly higher than the $40 billion price tag presented to state voters in 2008, however.
The main driver behind the major cost spike between 2009 and 2011, according to the revised plan, is a greater reliance on tunnels and elevated structures throughout the system. The plan notes that the possible length of elevated structures went up from 77 miles in 2009 to between 113 and 140 miles under the current plan. The length of tunnels, meanwhile, increased from 32 miles to between 44 and 48 miles.
The proposed $68.4 billion system features new infrastructure between San Jose and Los Angeles, shared electrified tracks on the Peninsula and an upgrades to the Metrolink Corridor between Los Angeles and Anaheim.
"The benefits of investing in high-speed rail will be delivered far cheaper than previously estimated," the revised business plan states. "Through the adoption of a blended approach, the Authority has confidence that the cost of delivering the San Francisco-to-Los Angeles/Anaheim system, in accordance with Proposition 1A performance standards, is reduced by almost $30 billion, now estimated at $68.4 billion."
Even with the lower cost estimate, funding remains a major wildcard. California voters had approved a $9.95 billion bond for the proposed system when they passed Proposition 1A in 2008. The bond measure requires the new system to be capable for whisking passengers between San Francisco and Los Angeles in about two-and-a-half hours.
The rail authority hopes to build the system through a combination of bond funding, federal grants, local contributions and private investments. So far, the system has received about $3 billion in grants from the federal government. At Monday's press conference in Fresno, Karen Hedlund, deputy administrator of the Federal Railroad Administration, praised the plan and said her agency looks forward to "working with the High-Speed Rail Authority to making this plan a reality."
"By listening carefully to everyone involved, the High-Speed Rail Authority has offered a new plan today that lays out a faster, better and more cost-effective path to building a high-speed rail system that is so critical to California's economic future," Hedland said. "The new plan will create hundreds of thousands of jobs and deliver the economic benefits of high-speed rail faster and more affordably."
The new business plan is the latest milestone for a project has been facing intense scrutiny throughout the state and particularly on the Peninsula. The Palo Alto City Council, which initially supported the project, adopted in December as the city's official position a call for the project's termination. Palo Alto had also joined Atherton and Menlo Park in suing the rail authority over its environmental analysis for the project.
Republicans in Sacramento remain vehemently opposed to the project, with one legislator, Assemblywoman Diane Harkey, R-Dana Point, pushing a "lemon law" that would cut off funding for high-speed rail. Their counterparts in Washington, D.C., have been equally adamant about resisting President Barack Obama's proposal to connect 80 percent of the nation through high-speed-rail systems in the next 25 years.
The rail authority's new business plan, by committing to the blended system and to early investments on the Peninsula, aims to win over some of the project's toughest critics. The rail authority's proposal to help electrify Caltrain -- a long-awaited project that has languished under inadequate funding -- was greeted with great enthusiasm last week by the Metropolitan Transportation Commission, which approved an agreement with the rail authority that includes a funding plan for the electrification.
Richard said Monday that upgrades to existing rail services, including Caltrain, "will provide near-term benefits" while also building "a portion of the system that we will ultimately be using."
But the new document is unlikely to assuage all of the Peninsula's concerns. Members of the Palo Alto council remain concerned about the fact that the rail authority's environmental impact report for the system still describes a four-track system. Councilman Pat Burt and others have also raised flags at recent meetings about the prospect of the rail authority seeking exemptions from the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) -- exemptions that would allow the agency to expedite its environmental-review process.
Dan Richard cited on Monday recent media reports about the rail authority seeking CEQA exemptions and assured those present that the agency plans to fully comply with environmental law.
"Despite recent reports, we're not looking for CEQA exemptions," Richard said. "We're doing a full environmental-review process."
Richard called the new business plan an "overall approach to building tomorrow's transportation system." He lauded the plan for reducing both the project's price tag and its timeline.
"This plan is about more than just high-speed rail as a standalone system or a 'cool train,' if you will," Richard said. "Our plan sees high-speed rail as a strategic tool in an integrated transportation system to meet California's growing mobility needs."
Comments
Greenmeadow
on Apr 2, 2012 at 10:57 am
on Apr 2, 2012 at 10:57 am
How did this just drop by 30 billion dollars? Let's see the old plan and the new plan with total cost, including the prospective ridership? I find it hard to believe that the Governor can save 30 Billion dollars-Brown is a politician and his numbers have to be examined. If we accept the numbers, this should be built in stages, if the system goes over budget (each stage) the remaining project should be cancelled.
Adobe-Meadow
on Apr 2, 2012 at 11:14 am
on Apr 2, 2012 at 11:14 am
Quit stalling and get it done already. Inflation and rising real estate prices are just going to force the cost up if we wait.
Stanford
on Apr 2, 2012 at 11:17 am
on Apr 2, 2012 at 11:17 am
Yet another dubious cost estimate. I predicted that the originally envisioned system would cost substantially north of $100 billion. All of a sudden, this one is supposed to cost "only" $98-30 or $68 billion? This is not a serious cost estimate AT ALL. It has absolutely no claim to be taken seriously. Where is the $30 billion in savings supposed to come from? Let's see that, hold it up to the light of public scrutiny, and decide if it's credible. After all, they still envisage running HSR up the Peninsula, just delaying when that starts.
If our local politicians sign on to this fiasco -- as Gordon and Simitian appear primed to do -- they should be exiled to political Siberia. I almost had a case of terminal nausea when reading the other day that Kishimoto had emerged to cheerlead for this latest cost fiction/Gov. Moonbeam legacy/generational financial albatross/payday bonanza for the unions, consultants, and construction companies.
CA is already in debt up to its ears, public education is being starved at all levels, and our pols (encouraged by potent special interests) are prepared to sign off on putting us in multiple tens of billions of dollars of additional debt for a project without demonstrated need or viability?! Where's the widespread revulsion at this absurdity?
And some wonder why people become cynical about government-special interest alliances.
Barron Park
on Apr 2, 2012 at 11:51 am
on Apr 2, 2012 at 11:51 am
If you build it they will come.
Adobe-Meadow
on Apr 2, 2012 at 12:28 pm
on Apr 2, 2012 at 12:28 pm
The real problem is that no plan this CAHSRC comes up with will be trusted. Once a salesman pulls a bait-and-switch con on you, do you trust them again?
another community
on Apr 2, 2012 at 12:52 pm
on Apr 2, 2012 at 12:52 pm
I agree John! Just do it !!
Nixon School
on Apr 2, 2012 at 12:57 pm
on Apr 2, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Build it.
Voters approved it. Losers always whine, they still whine about Bush v Gore. Ignore them.
Build baby build.
Southgate
on Apr 2, 2012 at 1:18 pm
on Apr 2, 2012 at 1:18 pm
I think the article implies that the $30B savings comes from using CalTrain tracks on the Peninsula, instead of elevated tracks, tunnels, or widened right of ways.
Midtown
on Apr 2, 2012 at 1:42 pm
on Apr 2, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Voters did approve it, but NOT the 90 billion dollar boondoggle. All this does is simply pare down the system with a "once you build the first part, then they have no choice to spend more" mentality.
There is no savings here, just a cut down system.
Time to kill this once and for all.
Midtown
on Apr 2, 2012 at 2:37 pm
on Apr 2, 2012 at 2:37 pm
It is still $68+ Billion that this state cannot afford right now. And, of course, we all know that a proposed $68 Billion will double by the time all is said and done.
Besides, by the time construction on this rail would be complete, there will be new technologies that are VERY "green" and much more cost effective.
With all of the massive taxation (and alternative/stealth taxation) in this state, California can NOT afford this right now. Voters did NOT approve it...and would not approve it if it were put up to a vote again.
Midtown
on Apr 2, 2012 at 2:46 pm
on Apr 2, 2012 at 2:46 pm
@ John:
Who will "come" if it is built?
The unions?
Temporary jobs?
A handful of passengers taking weekend trips to Los Angeles?
We all know that this will have less proportional ridership than CalTrain does here. So, we are effectively trying to force the state to pay for something that will be used by an elite handful of people.
Again: There are emerging technologies that are coming that will be more beneficial to the environment and much more COST EFFECTIVE.
Why are we going to spend $68+ Billion on a means of transportation that will still be more expensive, more constrictive, less safe and slower than current technology (air travel)? Why are we going to invest so much for such a small corridor that will only be enjoyed by a tiny fraction of the state?
Duveneck/St. Francis
on Apr 2, 2012 at 3:12 pm
on Apr 2, 2012 at 3:12 pm
For HSR to go from San Jose to San Francisco safely there must be significant improvement in the >30 at-grade crossings. Estimates for changes to or elimination of these crossings start at $10 Million each and go up from there. Where is this amount given in the new cost estimate?
Our State is skating on thin ice trying to meet its yearly budget short falls. Adding more debt for a "hope-everthing-will-turn-out-okay" system will not help that. If the idea was economically sound to begin with, the many changes in plans would not have been necessary.
All HSR lines in Spain, France, England, and Japan are subsidized, and they have dense, close together population centers which California does not. Ridership on all public transportation systems is over estimated, see BART and Caltrain. This HSR is no different.
Registered user
Community Center
on Apr 2, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Registered user
on Apr 2, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Bait and switch, bait and switch.
Forget the money for a moment, despite that it still is the elephant in the room.
There are so many other reasons this thing does not make sense. I will not enumerate my previous observations about policy, ridership, local transit users, inter alia. Suffice to say that this thing should be killed without regard to how much it costs: there are plenty of other reasons why it does not make sense.
I find the electrification of CalTrain induucement as another charade. We need the electrification, but not if it is provided by what amounts to a drug dealer--"the first one's free."
There are many fine people who are spending a great deal of time trying to figure out how to put a square peg in a round hole.
Registered user
University South
on Apr 2, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Registered user
on Apr 2, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Excellent reporting!
Folks - this press conference took place Mon morning and Gennady has his article out by 1pm - and it's the first 'post press conference' article I've seen!
To the first commenter who inquired about costs, "The main driver behind the major cost spike between 2009 and 2011, according to the revised plan, is a greater reliance on tunnels and elevated structures throughout the system. The plan notes that the possible length of elevated structures went up from 77 miles in 2009 to between 113 and 140 miles under the current plan. The length of tunnels, meanwhile, increased from 32 miles to between 44 and 48 miles."
And another commenter correctly noted that the other huge price difference was the "bookend strategy" - now, instead of 4, grade-separated tracks up the Peninsula (and a comparable plan for the LA/Anaheim area), you have a 2-track, 'blended' plan.
But perhaps the key aspect of the new plan, outside of the $30 billion difference is the new "initial operating segment":
".....the rail authority's board Chair Dan Richard emphasized the significance difference between the agency's previous proposal for the system's initial phase and the one laid out in the new business plan.
"Beginning next year, we will begin construction here in the Valley not of a mere track but a fully operational 300-mile electrified operating segment that will connect the valley to the Los Angeles Basin," Richard said.
"This will bring high-speed rail not only to California -- it will bring high-speed rail to America," he said.
It's been said that private funds will only be invested AFTER the train is operating....so HSRA are probably banking on this segment - and using cap & trade funds as well (Web Link
another community
on Apr 2, 2012 at 9:44 pm
on Apr 2, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Well, they've taken $30 billion out. $50 billion in additional cuts might bring things down to the level of reality.
Midtown
on Apr 3, 2012 at 8:45 am
on Apr 3, 2012 at 8:45 am
@ Paul Losch:
I think a more accurate way to describe it is "Switch & Bait & Switch Again." We all know that this thing -- like so many California projects -- will spiral out of "control" by "unforeseen circumstances." And, by the time it would be completed, there will be better green sources that render a train obsolete.
There just isn't enough demand (for this particular line), need or money in the state budget for it to be economically cost effective or to justify forcing taxpayers to pay for it at this time.
We didn't vote for this. This need for $68.4 Billion isn't even in the small print. However, by the time this thing is finally put to death, the initial $10 Billion of taxpayer money will be spent on all forms of ridiculous "administrative" and "design" costs.
Midtown
on Apr 3, 2012 at 9:27 am
on Apr 3, 2012 at 9:27 am
The headline could just as well be "High Speed Rail projected to be $28 billion over budget".
Governor Brown, who wants to raise taxes in November, otherwise he will cut education & social services. Yet he is willing use the budget to finance High Speed Rail. Governor Brown also wants to shortcut the environmental review process on this project.
Joe Simitian, who has been in the State Assembly & State Senate for 12 years, and is listed as a co-author of the High Speed Rail Bill won't kill this project despite the obvious problems in financing and other operational issues. Simitian is termed out, and needs to find another job, so he is running for County Supervisor. I have my doubts that he would represent us based on his record as a state legislator.
The voters in November should send a message by voting for anyone but Simitian for Supervisor; don't vote for the other enablers either - Rich Gordon or Liz Kniss.
Professorville
on Apr 3, 2012 at 10:09 am
on Apr 3, 2012 at 10:09 am
Bernie Madoff has nothing on the High-Speed Rail Authority, they seem cut from the same cloth.
Bernie promised, and seemed to deliver, solid returns over time. HSR is heading down the same track, HSR tells them (the press, public, voters, legislators) what they want to hear. Guess what, HSR is out to get their money.
Eventually, the chickens come home to roost. For the next 150 years, Bernie’s perch is federal prison. What are the chances anyone from HSR will ever go to prison, even though their deceit may turn out to be far greater than Bernie’s? He only cooked the books for maybe $40 billion. HSR has a much bigger opportunity to disappoint, and to bankrupt California in the process.
The revised ‘HSR business plan’ is a continuing joke which will soon be discredited by independent experts, just as earlier versions were.
The facts remain:
NONE of the promises made to win the 2008 1A vote are being kept…
- No more than $40 billion to connect San Diego, Los Angeles, Sacramento and San Francisco
- No more than $9.95 billion from state of California
- No money authorized until investors committed
- Los Angeles to San Francisco in 2½ hours for about $50
- Ridership forecast unrealistically high
HSR PLANS BOGUS, independent auditors say…
- Peer Review Group - January 3, 2012
- Legislative Analyst Office - November 29, 2011
- State Inspector General - October 27, 2010
- California State Auditor - April 2010 Report 2009-106
- Joseph Vranich - October 2008
Nobody believes anything the High-Speed Rail Authority says any more, nor should they. HSR has a nearly perfect record of never being right.
'Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.'
another community
on Apr 3, 2012 at 10:30 am
on Apr 3, 2012 at 10:30 am
Voters approved a $9 Billion bond for construction of HSR. Estimates of cost to build came in at close to $100 Billion. Now we're supposed to be thrilled with the plan because they've come up with a way to cut potentially $30 Billion??? Call me stupid, but I don't get it! Their plans cannot be trusted at all. No one is being honest here about the cost to the taxpayers, the majority of whom, in light of current state and local fiscal conditions, most likely would not re-approve the first bond proposal.
I'd like to recommend a "do-over" voting opportunity for the tax-paying residents of California.
Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 3, 2012 at 11:57 am
on Apr 3, 2012 at 11:57 am
A billion here, a billion there. I have no confidence in HSRA's ability to implement this project within any budget. They are a disorganized web of consultants whose primary objective is to keep their gravy train running.
Palo Verde
on Apr 3, 2012 at 12:38 pm
on Apr 3, 2012 at 12:38 pm
To all: including Losch and Moss:
So, in addition to being an expert land use planner, everybody in Palo Alto and surrounding communities in an expert
estimator.
Defecation del Toro.
None of you have ever tried to get from the Peninsula to LA in a reasonable time, it obvious.
Just think, GREEN PALO ALTO, how many TONS on carbon emissions this will save.
Get on with it, Just build it, join Mexico, China and most of Europe in advanced transportation concepts.
Menlo Park
on Apr 3, 2012 at 1:02 pm
on Apr 3, 2012 at 1:02 pm
I don't believe the new estimate! As a former construction inspector the speed with which the new estimate was released guarantees there will be many change orders which will jack the cost more than 30%. Also don't forget we still have to add the cost of interest for the bonds. The governor says he wants to reduce the cost by injecting Cap and Trade revenues generated by industry and businesses. Well, I have news for Jerry, the Cap and Trade market has tanked. The Chicago Carbon Exchange has closed and the EU Carbon Exchange is near collapse because the price of carbon trading has plummeted so the California taxpayers will be on the hook. In the meanwhile our schools and other really necessary programs will continue to suffer. Scuttle the HSR Boondoggle.
Web Link
Web Link
Old Palo Alto
on Apr 3, 2012 at 1:08 pm
on Apr 3, 2012 at 1:08 pm
How can it drop $30B?
No clue clue before, or no clue now?
Validates that the numbers are SWAG.
Menlo Park
on Apr 3, 2012 at 4:02 pm
on Apr 3, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Does the governor and the Democrat legislature think we're stupid??? Cap and Trade will result in the businesses and industry passing the cost to the public followed by a mass exodus of jobs from California.
Midtown
on Apr 3, 2012 at 5:07 pm
on Apr 3, 2012 at 5:07 pm
@Richard - The governor and our elected representatives don't think you are stupid; they just think that this issue will not cause you to change who you will vote for in November.
Will you continue to vote for Rich Gordon?
Midtown
on Apr 3, 2012 at 7:18 pm
on Apr 3, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Let's face it, they have NO IDEA what HSR will cost, none whatsoever. I guarantee you, this latest in a series of ever-revised estimates is a lowball figure. If they say it will cost $70 billion and it winds up costing $150, $200, however many billions when it's finished, they'll simply chalk it up to "cost overruns". No one will go to jail for defrauding the taxpayers or the voters; there is no downside for them. I very much doubt they have done a serious line-item estimate. It sounds to me as if they're conjuring figures out of thin air. This combined with their bribe (inducement) to electrify CalTrain to mollify peninsula residents just smacks of the slimy tactics we have come to expect from CAHSRA. The cost goes up, the cost goes down. They have no clue. They're basically asking for a blank check for whatever amount and it will cost whatever it costs, IMO.
Crescent Park
on Apr 3, 2012 at 9:57 pm
on Apr 3, 2012 at 9:57 pm
Lets see, the CA HSR Authority has been planning for this fiasco for decades now, a relic of Browns first term as Governor. After all that time, and nearly a billion dollars squandered in consultants, lavish travel, and loads of public relations campaigns that all blew up in their collective faces, this is the latest BEST plan?!
The CA HSR Authority is defined by exemplary arrogance, incredible ignorance, and a clustering of shear incompetence the likes of which Sacramento hasn't seen, and hopefully won't see again, for many many years to come. Almost without exception, every claim in the proposition text, and every statement by the HSR Authority in recent years has been shown to be either simply made up, an extreme exaggeration of reality, or usually an outright lie. How can anyone take them seriously now? Uh, we goofed (again) on our cost estimate, this time it's $30B less!
The state has no funding for schools; k-12 teachers have been sent their notices that their jobs are about to expire, CSU is considering or will simply cancel, enrollments in the future as they can not afford any new students, education costs are soaring through the state. But lo, we have an unlimited supply of billions of dollars for a train to no where, few will ride, that will drain the states treasury for decades to come.
If our so called leaders in Sacramento have not yet figured out that the CA HSR is a rotting lemon that needs to be dumped, the fiscal future of this state is dim indeed. If Brown wants a legacy, fine, but let him spend his money on it, not ours.
Old Palo Alto
on Apr 4, 2012 at 5:18 pm
on Apr 4, 2012 at 5:18 pm
I just sent yet another plea to stop the HSR to Simitian, Gordon and Brown.
"In a recent release from the HSR,
"Construction of the entire 520-mile rail system will finish in 2028. Six billion dollars in funding has already been identified for the initial segment of the Initial Operating Section, $3.3 billion in Federal stimulus funding and $2.7 billion in Proposition 1A bond proceeds to fund the project through 2017. Cap and trade funds are available, as needed, upon appropriation, as a backstop against federal and local support to complete the initial operating section. No operating subsidy will be required.
The Plan will generate over 100,000 job years of employment over the next five years, the equivalent of 20,000 jobs per year and will provide substantial environmental benefits, eliminating 320 billion vehicle miles traveled over the next 40 years and 3 million tons of carbon emissions annually."
I don't believe the completion in 2028, nor the cost reduction to *only* $69 Billion, nor the jobs estimate, nor the reduction in vehicle miles, nor the carbon emissions reduction. They are all guesses, made using questionable assumptions, no better than the lottery numbers on a Chinese fortune cookie.
Please put a stop to this money pit NOW, before any more of our tax dollars, desperately needed for other things, are spent. Surely $2.7 Billion in CA bonds can be put to a better use! I can think of numerous uses just offhand."
For those interested in stopping the HSR, I asked Simitian and Gordon to host a signing at their office. Info at Web Link on a petition to scrap the HSR.
Personally, I consider the HSR an unaffordable boondoggle that will waste billions of California's tax dollars on a system that is fatally revenue and destination-impaired (it doesn't start or arrive at most places Californians need it to, so will not attract sufficient riders to pay its way). If it's such a great idea, private financing (stocks, bonds, whatever) should suffice. No need for government (tax) funding.
another community
on Apr 4, 2012 at 7:02 pm
on Apr 4, 2012 at 7:02 pm
I've lived in Los Angeles for 33 years of my adult life. I can't remember a time I had to travel from here to Merced in a hurry. Or Fresno. Or Bakersfield.
It just goes to show what a folly this is.
Adobe-Meadow
on Apr 5, 2012 at 8:25 pm
on Apr 5, 2012 at 8:25 pm
simitian and gordon are shameful in their support of this project.
time for them to go.
Professorville
on Apr 6, 2012 at 8:50 am
on Apr 6, 2012 at 8:50 am
The High Speed Rail Authority has a nearly perfect record of never being correct. HSR has zero credibility, it is simply out to get our money.
The revised ‘HSR business plan,’ with all its spin and catchy headlines, is a continuing joke which will soon be discredited by independent experts, just as earlier versions were.
The facts remain:
NONE of the promises made to win the 2008 1A vote are being kept...
- No more than $40 billion to connect San Diego, Los Angeles, Sacramento and San Francisco
- No more than $9.95 billion from state of California
- No money authorized until investors committed
- Los Angeles to San Francisco in 2½ hours for about $50
- Ridership forecast unrealistically high HSR plans BOGUS, independent auditors say...
- Peer Review Group - January 3, 2012
- Legislative Analyst Office - November 29, 2011
- State Inspector General - October 27, 2010
- California State Auditor - April 2010 Report 2009-106
- Joseph Vranich - October 2008
Nobody, except a few pols with special interests to pay off, believes anything the High-Speed Rail Authority says any more, nor should they.
'Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.'
Menlo Park
on Apr 7, 2012 at 5:18 pm
on Apr 7, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Please tell me what "blended" means. The high speed trains will be using the old CalTrain tracks on the SF peninsula? Is that possible?
The same trains which will run at 200 miles per hour down the valley on new tracks? Furthermore, if these high speed trains run regularly from SF to San Jose, all the street crossings must be changed to keep traffic and trains separate...i.e. grade crossings. So the plan is to build grade crossings for the old tracks, and then eventually, as has always been implied, add the needed set of tracks for the high speed trains. And of course rebuild all the grade crossings?
Or make the grade crossings large enough for 4 tracks to begin with. Imagine this mess at every street crossing the tracks!
How blended? Or do they mean running shuttle trains down the peninsula to San Jose, then changing to board the new High Speed Train? (a reasonable alternative) Then say so!
Otherwise, I don't believe you can run these super fast machines on the old tracks, and alternate high speed trains and commuter trains all day long!
No one has said outright that they mean to run these new "bullet" trains on the old tracks, or what kind of grade crossings are envisioned. They just say it will be blended. How blended?
I wish someone would explain