Palo Alto City Councilman Greg Tanaka publicly accused his council colleagues and city staff on Tuesday night of poor stewardship in handling city finances and for repeatedly failing to "stick to the budget."
Tanaka, who routinely votes against labor agreements, service contracts and infrastructure projects, made his comments as the Finance Committee considered ways to fill a $4-million hole in the city's approved general fund, which includes $210.7 million in expenditures. The committee and the council approved a budget last summer that created a $4 million gap, which it expected to fill through structural cuts later in the year. The gap was created to help account for the city's growing long-term financial challenges, most notably its growing pension obligations.
During the discussion of the city's strategy for managing its finances, Tanaka called out his colleagues for having "no backbone to stick to the budget."
"I hate being the 8-1 vote all the time. No one else seems to care," Tanaka said. "That's what we have to do, otherwise we're burning our city. We are burning future generations. We are hollowing out the city now by not sticking to the budget."
During its May budget hearings, the Finance Committee directed staff to return with specific proposals for $4 million in structural cuts in the current budget. Instead, staff came forward on Tuesday with a proposal to perform a full "strategic action plan" – a comprehensive analysis of every city service and how much it costs.
City Manager James Keene noted Tueday that the city will actually need to cut more than $4 million this year to comply with labor agreements and new funding commitments, including the city's recently approved agreement with Stanford University over fire services. Given these expenses, the total number that the city is looking to cut is about $8.7 million this year.
Making such a change, he said, would require a longer conversation involving labor groups and other stakeholders who may find service levels diminishing.
"My own conclusion is that it would be difficult to impossible to adequately and represent and make the changes that would be required in November to hit the $8.7 million number," Keene said, in explaining staff's decision not to recommend specific cuts at this time.
Keene also pushed back against Tanaka's accusation, which he said isn't accurate. The city had not spent beyond its adopted budget at any year during his decade as city manager, Keene said.
"I don't think it's accurate to say that we are regularly fiscally mismanaging in any way at all," Keene said.
He added that almost every item that staff brings to the council is a budget decision. There are situations where there are cost increases, but "we account for those," he said.
Among the biggest challenges that the city is facing is labor costs, Keene said. It's also an area that is in some ways driven by factors beyond the city's control, including CalPERS decisions. Kiely Nose, interim Chief Financial Officer, also alluded to the challenges of hiring and retaining people at a time when the economy is doing well and market competition is fierce.
"We're trying to attract a skilled workforce to deliver quality services to the community," Nose said.
Tanaka's committee colleagues agreed with him that the city should move quickly to identify short-term savings in the current budget while also proceeding with the longer-term strategic plan. Committee Chair Greg Scharff made a motion to that effect, which passed 3-1, with Tanaka dissenting. Councilman Eric Filseth stressed the importance of making cuts now, to avoid making even larger cuts in the future, as the cost of benefits continue to grow.
"It's a question of setting aside enough money to make the commitments we're making," Filseth said. "We're spending the money now and we're going to get a bill for it in the future with interest. … I don't want to kick this down the road."
Scharff said he disagrees with Tanaka's assertion that the council has not been "good stewards." He attributed the fact that the city's expenses have routinely exceed its long-term forecasts to the way it budgets for labor costs. He noted that long-term forecasts typically show a far lower increase in labor costs than what gets actually adopted. Including a higher number in the forecasts, however, would be unwise from a negotiations standpoint.
In the short-term, the council has one option that would not impact any services or positions. It can pull $4 million from its Budget Stabilization Reserve to fill the budget hole (the reserve would remain above the city's target of 18.5 percent of the general fund, according to staff). The committee generally agreed, however, that this one-time fix would not address the long-term problems and should not be a solution anyone feels comfortable with.
"I do think every department head should be able to find some money in their budget that they can cut," Scharff said.
Tanaka wasn't entirely satisfied with the strategy. The city, he said, should consider cuts every time it makes a decision that exceeds the budgeted amount.
"We can sit around the table and say, 'No problem,'" Tanaka said. "We can kick the can down the road and not deal with it. Or, when we exceed the budget, we can make comparable cuts somewhere else so we know what the trade-off is."
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Midtown
on Sep 19, 2018 at 10:38 am
on Sep 19, 2018 at 10:38 am
For once, Tanaka is right, and I appreciate him standing strong about the city's fiscal responsibility. That said, I disagree with how he has voted on issues of office development. Greg, when you were running for city councill, you explained to me that each office development brings our city further into the red, particularly given the lack of City of Palo Alto taxes collected from corporations and because of the drain on infrastructure. If you are going to vote for office development, infrastructure needs necessarily follow to reduce traffic, to deal with wear and tear from all the additional office workers coming into the city. We all know this city was designed for 60,000 residents rather than the 120,000+ that we balloon to every work day. So, if you are going to vote against infrastructure improvements, how about starting by voting against office development, which drives infrastructure needs/costs up?
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Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Sep 19, 2018 at 10:39 am
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on Sep 19, 2018 at 10:39 am
The fiscal situation in this town is a joke. It's all about labor and benefits because council members are terrified of labor trashing them at the next election. The cost of every city service is amplified by unfunded future pension obligations.
It's time to:
- cut big time.
- look at costs and benefits to residents rather than labor.
- outsource so that we use commercial companies to provide services avoiding lifetime health benefits and defined benefit plans
Everything else is just a shell game and kicks the (expanding) can down the road.
Council: grow a backbone and do what needs to be done!
Barron Park
on Sep 19, 2018 at 10:42 am
on Sep 19, 2018 at 10:42 am
Tanaka is right. We can't keep kicking the can down to the next person or the next budget cycle. Unlike the Federal Government which has powers far beyond a local municipality has, we must absolutely stick to our budget we have set for ourselves.
I wish the other City Council members would stop with their excuses and hand-waving "oh, there isn't really a problem here" and just deal with the confront like the leaders we elected them to be.
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Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Sep 19, 2018 at 10:43 am
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on Sep 19, 2018 at 10:43 am
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Downtown North
on Sep 19, 2018 at 10:44 am
on Sep 19, 2018 at 10:44 am
One badly needed component is a city-wide Performance Management System.
No-backbone Keene hides shortfalls instead by keeping key positions vacant ... He said so last night himself!) Here is the problem with that self-serving punt play, Jimmy. The folks that leave are typically high performers heading to greener pastures, tired of carrying the weight of the laze-abouts.
Getting into the weeds of who is getting it done requires work and backbone, so clearly we won't do that...
I wish Tanaka would also ask, then, how much of our current savings is "phantom" savings that will disappear in a year after Keene's departing punt, when we fill critical open roles. And if our plan is to cut positions, why aren't we doing the work to cut smart rather than just what's most convenient for absentee managers?
Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Sep 19, 2018 at 10:47 am
on Sep 19, 2018 at 10:47 am
Posted by For once he is right, a resident of Midtown
>> For once, Tanaka is right, [..]
Agreed.
>> Greg, when you were running for city councill, you explained to me that each office development brings our city further into the red
Wow, I never heard him say that. But, if that is what his numbers are showing, why hasn't he been standing with the office-limitation group instead of the build-more-office-space group? And, why hasn't there been more discussion of the external costs of office space development? There should be public hearings about the costs to the city of all this new development. Let's see what the spreadsheets show.
Midtown
on Sep 19, 2018 at 10:50 am
on Sep 19, 2018 at 10:50 am
Hmmmm. The unwanted and unnecessary bike boulevard network cost the City of Palo Alto 9.6 million. And I guess now they're looking for things to cut because of a 4 - 8.7 million dollar shortfall? Coincidence? I think not!
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Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Sep 19, 2018 at 10:54 am
Registered user
on Sep 19, 2018 at 10:54 am
And Mr. Keene's still pushing for CoolBlocks expenditures which duplicates existing programs and on whose board he sits.
Downtown North
on Sep 19, 2018 at 10:57 am
on Sep 19, 2018 at 10:57 am
These financial issues are why we need to elect intelligent and thoughtful city council members in the coming election. People who understand how budgets and amortization works. Not the lightweight, democratic party endorsed, do anything for the union members, overbuild the town without planning for the future, know-nothing candidates, who are only in it for themselves and will pretend to be anything to get elected.
Crescent Park
on Sep 19, 2018 at 10:58 am
on Sep 19, 2018 at 10:58 am
The city, state and country have already been hollowed out, that is why there is this dysfunctional environment at all levels now. Robbing future generations is so easy for some people ... certainly not me or most of you that might read this ... so who or what is doing it?
But bravo Greg ... this has only been the pattern across and at every level of our country for almost 50 years. This is set up and illuminated brilliantly in the first chapter of Steven Brill's book "Tailspin", as well as more broadly and darkly and ominously in Thomas Frank's book "The Wrecking Crew" How Republicans Rule". Everything is noise and chaos for most everyone but the elites have guaranteed smooth sailing, and the ability to work under-cover without responsibility - and most never know or find out.
Every time this happens the proverbial ladder is kicked away for more people, life gets harder for more people, and services and the people who provide them all suffer and have to knuckle under more and say less.
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College Terrace
on Sep 19, 2018 at 11:22 am
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on Sep 19, 2018 at 11:22 am
Tanaka's got an eagle eye on City finances and I think that is good for all of us.
Maybe we should move meeting dates around a bit so that the weekly CC meeting is the day after the weekly Finance Committee meeting so that fiscal reality is clearly in mind when CC is voting on $ contracts tucked neatly into the Consent Calendar. It's remarkable that the gap is either $4m or more than twice that.
If Lucy said to Ricky, "Gee, honey, I overdrew our account but I don't know if I spent $4 million more than we had or $8.7 million more" Ricky would tell her she "had some 'splainin to do." Well?
University South
on Sep 19, 2018 at 11:28 am
on Sep 19, 2018 at 11:28 am
@anon
You asked why Tanaka changed his tune 180 degrees regarding office development impacts on the city. Maybe him taking big money from those developers at the end of his campaign and then not disclosing he had done so helps explain his reversal.
I am more interested in him coming through on his campaign commitment that he would increase city revenues by 50% without increasing taxes. The only thing I recall him doing on that front was last year when he opposed increased office developer impact fees for affordable housing.
He has been on the Finance Com for two years, but I don’t recall him proposing any specific cuts, which is where the rubber meets the road. Demagoguery is an easy way to sound good and stir people up, but council members need to rational, concrete and show some intellectual consistency.
Fairmeadow
on Sep 19, 2018 at 11:53 am
on Sep 19, 2018 at 11:53 am
There is a lot of money that can be cut and it should be from the top. Everyone always talks about how it's the small workers that are taking up all of the budget. 99% of the small workers have to commute long distances to work because they can't even afford the rent in this area with having two jobs. Why aren't all the residents of this City taking the jobs if the current folks are making too much money? You don't see that happening do you? To help balance the budget think about the questions below:
1. Why do we need a City Manager and two Assistant City Managers? Other Cities only have one of each.
2. If money is so tight why did they add the new conference room across from revenue collections for millions of dollars?
3. Why are they going to redo the City Council Chambers to the tune of over $2 million dollars? That's half of what they need to save. I could go on and on and on about how much waste there is at the top.
4. Start cutting at the top and increasing the taxes in Palo Alto so residents will actually pay for the services they WANT and need.
5. Few Cities have so many library branches, CLOSE some of them.
6. FREE SHUTTLE PROGRAM? Who is paying for that and what other Cities have this service?
7. Have the parents pay for the transportation for their kids to go to school through PAUSD instead of using the free shuttle. It is not the responsibility of the City of Palo Alto to do so or is it in this warped privileged area?
8. Why do you need special lights down town on light poles during the holidays? If we didn't do that it could save over $40,000 a month.
If you get rid of all of the small workers who will fix the tree that fell down in the storm? What about the utility lines that came down with the tree. Who will fix the broken water pipe causing the flood on your street? Who will make sure your house is safe to build? Think about what will happen if you don't have these folks around your city.
Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Sep 19, 2018 at 11:59 am
on Sep 19, 2018 at 11:59 am
Posted by Vote for the right city council candidates!, a resident of Downtown North, 44 minutes ago
>> These financial issues are why we need to elect intelligent and thoughtful city council members in the coming election. People who understand how budgets and amortization works.
Agreed.
>> Not the lightweight, democratic party endorsed, do anything for the union members, overbuild the town without planning for the future, know-nothing candidates, who are only in it for themselves and will pretend to be anything to get elected.
And not the lightweight, developer-endorsed, do anything for developers, "overbuild the town without planning for the future, know-nothing candidates, who are only in it for themselves and will pretend to be anything to get elected", either.
Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Sep 19, 2018 at 12:16 pm
on Sep 19, 2018 at 12:16 pm
Online Name got it right.This week the City Manager promoted unlimited funding for something called Enlightenment Institute.
It was dishonestly promoted as costing $25,000 but didn't mention the unlimited expenses that will be reimbursed. The dishonest $25,000 headline was a real sign of the CM's intention to reward his supporters (e.g. PAForward which is a supporter of the project) using city funds for activities that have always been done by volunteers.
Did Mr. Tanaka notice it?
Professorville
on Sep 19, 2018 at 12:44 pm
on Sep 19, 2018 at 12:44 pm
Tanaka is on point, but it's unlikely that the current Council, or any of those seeking a seat on the Council, have any idea what to do about this matter. I suspect that for those sitting at the center of the table on the Finance Committee--that "politics trumps math and common sense every time".
The problem is salaries and linked pensions. About 50% of the City's employees are paid more than $100k--which maps into pensions that ultimately will see employees paid more in retirement than they earned on the job. A full analysis of these expenditures is staggering.
The City's budget is on auto-pilot. All new money will likely end up as increased salaries and benefits. As the salaries increase, the pension obligations increase and the City's budget has to dedicate more money to CalPERS in order to pay for these multi-million dollar pensions.
Every government agency that has been bamboozled into "defined benefit" pension plans is facing effective bankruptcy. It's clear that governments all over California are now looking for new taxes, new fees and (in their dreams) legislative relief from this pension quagmire into the cities have allowed themselves to wander.
There are some possibilities--such as a paradigm shift in how cities are organized and function. For instance, if the local cities of Palo Alto, Menlo Park, Los Altos and Mountainview (just as an example) were to look at merging as many of the government services as possible, then over time, the redundant headcount could be dealt with, and ultimately the cost of running these cities would go down.
This is just one example. It has never been seriously considered because of people clinging to the idea of "local control". Unfortunately, as we saw last night at the finance committee meeting--the Council has no control, or no elected officials willing to use the control the Council does have.
Community Center
on Sep 19, 2018 at 2:07 pm
on Sep 19, 2018 at 2:07 pm
> 1. Why do we need a City Manager and two Assistant City Managers? Other Cities only have one of each.
In the event one or more are on vacation, attending off-site conferences or having medical/dental work.
> 2. If money is so tight why did they add the new conference room across from revenue collections for millions of dollars?
To create and ensure a conducive environment for creative thought.
>3. Why are they going to redo the City Council Chambers to the tune of over $2 million dollars?
Refer to previous response.
5. Few Cities have so many library branches, CLOSE some of them.
Are you an proponent of further illiteracy and ignorance?
>8. Why do you need special lights down town on light poles during the holidays? If we didn't do that it could save over $40,000 a month.
To convey Palo Alto's commitment to the holiday spirit. Don't be a penny-pinching grinch.
University South
on Sep 19, 2018 at 4:20 pm
on Sep 19, 2018 at 4:20 pm
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College Terrace
on Sep 19, 2018 at 4:37 pm
on Sep 19, 2018 at 4:37 pm
I watched with interest part of last night's council Finance Committee meeting which included a long discussion about the need to reduce the city budget by $4M now, and another $4M the year after, and the impact this will have on city services.
Yet at Monday night's council meeting our city manager, Mr. Keene, included on the Council's consent calendar a first year contract for $25K, plus $75K in staff time, for the Empowerment Institute's multi-year Cool Blocks platform and program. A limited number of participants the first year and gradually scaling up year on year.
Mr. Keene made a point of stating several times he is not, is not, involved with the Empowerment Institute and their Cool Blocks program. Yet up until a few months ago he was prominently featured on their website as one of a handful of their advisors.
Mr. Keene has never disclosed what the growing impact on staff time and the city budget this program will have over time. Unfortunately, the majority of council members were not interested in learning what the true fiscal impact will be, including Mr. Tanaka, and the contract was approved without allowing questions.
While Mr. Keene may have found it politically expedient to distance himself for the approval of this contract with the city, a quick search of the internet shows Mr. Keene's close involvement with the Empowerment Institute and their Cool Block's Program, dates back until at least 2013. His statement that he "is not" involved with the Empowerment Institute appears duplicitous to say the least.
Adobe-Meadow
on Sep 19, 2018 at 4:37 pm
on Sep 19, 2018 at 4:37 pm
The number of PA city employees per resident is way too high and not justifiable. Why do the wealthy surrounding towns function just fine with less employees?
Like PAUSD, I guess the PA city government wants to be Number 1 in the state at all costs.
College Terrace
on Sep 19, 2018 at 4:58 pm
on Sep 19, 2018 at 4:58 pm
A few years ago, when the council discussed a new pedestrian/bike underpass to connect the new Loma Verde bike route directly with the other side of the railway tracks without having to detour back to Cal Ave, the bike improvement fund had at least $20M set aside in it, and I think it was closer to $29M. Although the Ross Road improvements must have cost a pretty penny, it is also possible the fund has also been topped off year on year since then.
Midtown
on Sep 19, 2018 at 5:38 pm
on Sep 19, 2018 at 5:38 pm
How can the council dare even think about taking $4M out of reserves to balance the budget!?!?!? We are in the best economy of our lifetime. We should be building up reserves during the good times not drawing it down with raises we can’t afford. What happens when we have, and we will, a recession?
College Terrace
on Sep 19, 2018 at 6:01 pm
on Sep 19, 2018 at 6:01 pm
> The number of PA city employees per resident is way too high and not justifiable. Why do the wealthy surrounding towns function just fine with less employees?
Because they are not committed to providing lifetime employment and expansive PERS + comprehensive health benefits upon retirement.
Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Sep 19, 2018 at 6:05 pm
on Sep 19, 2018 at 6:05 pm
to see Mr.Keene's involvement in the so called Enlightenment Institute - which astonishingly he denied, see their Cool Blocks project web site Web Link
You will recognize some people there. Scroll to the bottom for a special mention of Mr. Keene.
Downtown North
on Sep 19, 2018 at 6:44 pm
on Sep 19, 2018 at 6:44 pm
> How can the council dare even think about taking $4M out of reserves to balance the budget!?!?!?
Because the resources are readily and easily replaceable. With increasing PA home valuations comes additional property tax revenue along with those being collected from commercial business sites.
PA is in the money...don't kid yourself.
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Adobe-Meadow
on Sep 19, 2018 at 9:38 pm
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on Sep 19, 2018 at 9:38 pm
Stop paying tribute to the bicycle nazis, return our streets to the people who live here and you can save tens of millions od dollars. We need to be a city where people want to live, not one where they commute in and circle for parking.
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Palo Verde
on Sep 19, 2018 at 10:55 pm
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on Sep 19, 2018 at 10:55 pm
I think Tanaka has a point. Using the Ross Road project as one example, I am starting to think that the city council is not doing a good job of using our tax money. Time for some changes.
Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Sep 20, 2018 at 8:38 am
on Sep 20, 2018 at 8:38 am
Posted by Wayne Martin, a resident of Professorville
>> The problem is salaries and linked pensions. About 50% of the City's employees are paid more than $100k--which maps into pensions that ultimately will see employees paid more in retirement than they earned on the job. A full analysis of these expenditures is staggering.
Is the full analysis somewhere online? Do you have links?
>> The City's budget is on auto-pilot. All new money will likely end up as increased salaries and benefits. As the salaries increase, the pension obligations increase and the City's budget has to dedicate more money to CalPERS in order to pay for these multi-million dollar pensions.
Is there a full analysis somewhere of how/why CalPERS payments are increasing? How much of it is related to increasing costs of healthcare-- something that is hitting public and private employers alike?
>> Every government agency that has been bamboozled into "defined benefit" pension plans is facing effective bankruptcy.
Bamboozled? Postwar (that is WWII for you youngsters), everybody had pensions public and private. What we are seeing now is the effect of people living longer, in part due to reduced poverty, better nutrition, better healthcare. That's "good", isn't it?
Regardless, I would like to see an analysis of Palo Alto's salary/benefit/pension future. Links?
Posted by Rick, a resident of Adobe-Meadow
>> Stop paying tribute to the bicycle nazis, return our streets to the people who live here and you can save tens of millions od dollars. We need to be a city where people want to live, not one where they commute in and circle for parking.
Bicycle nazis? I guess kids riding their bikes to/from school are not "people who live here"? Every kid on a bike just saved a car trip to/from school. Look at all the bikes-- that is a lot of cars -not- on the road.
But, related to the top topic-- Palo Alto police dept. seems to be understaffed despite advertising and what are, apparently (looking at posters comments), outrageously high wages/benefits. If the wages and benefits are too high, the PD wouldn't be understaffed, would it? (Econ 101).
Downtown North
on Sep 20, 2018 at 9:46 am
on Sep 20, 2018 at 9:46 am
I would vote for a PACC candidate who is not only fiscally responsible but advocates property tax-related rebates to all Palo Alto residents based on the monetary resources not being spent on dubious concepts.
To date, none fall into that category.
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Adobe-Meadow
on Sep 20, 2018 at 1:21 pm
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on Sep 20, 2018 at 1:21 pm
Ross and road furniture and lane reductions were not driven “for the children” any more than the Ross circles are like the Stanfod ones. Let’s not be disingenious here.
Professorville
on Sep 20, 2018 at 2:11 pm
on Sep 20, 2018 at 2:11 pm
> Is the full analysis somewhere online? Do you have links?
I've been working on it for a while now. Have generated a tremendous amount of data.
Part of my analysis involves trying to predict future CalPERs contributions. Haven't cracked that nut yet.
>Is there a full analysis somewhere of how/why CalPERS
> payments are increasing? How much of it is related to
>increasing costs of healthcare-- something that is hitting
>public and private employers alike?
The City and its Pension consultant have produced a number of reports, but I
don't believe they are as "complete" as they could be.
As I mentioned in the post above--the pensions have become multimillion dollar in size. CalPERS has not done well in the past few years, and has been reducing what they call the "discount rate" for the money they manage. This means that they don't believe that they can continue to generate (on average) 7.5% yearly returns. So, they are reducing their expectations to about 7% over a five year period, with hints that they might have to go farther in the future. If the economy picks up for longer than a year or two, and if CalPERS makes prudent investments and is about to manage 7.5%+ yearly returns then they will likely increase their discount rate in the future to what it was.
As the discount rate goes down, this results in bigger differences between their income and their outlays. Member agencies have to pick up the difference. CalPERS provides each member agency a "valuation" each year, or so, which offers a prediction of what the contributions will be for each of the two pension plans: MISCallaneous and SAFETY.
Because police and fire employees are lavishly paid in Palo Alto, the pension obligations have increased, meaning that the City has to contribute more as these payouts increase.
CalPERS/CalSTRS are not all that transparent, even though they do generate a lot of publicly available information.
As to health benefits--they are going up, but not as much as the pension costs.
> Bamboozled?
Yes. All of the high pension guarantees were established back in the late '90s when CalPERS was doing well. The premise pushed by the Unions was effective: "It's free money". So, you local governments can grant us huge pensions and you won't have to pay for them. History has proven them wrong, time and again.
> That's "good", isn't it?
Well, yes. However, those who are tasked with finding the money to pay for all of the post-employment benefits might quietly despair about how they can not generate enough money to met the demands for more benefits and pension payouts.
> If the wages and benefits are too high, the PD wouldn't
> be understaffed, would it? (Econ 101).
Does Econ 101 provide clear reasons why people join the Army, the police force or the Border Patrol?
Salaries are just a part of the what's going on here. While the PAPD has not been all that transparent in their dealing with the public over staffing issues, one report a couple years ago indicated that only about 1 application in 100 offered the Department a qualified applicant. Other rumors suggest that PA is a low-crime jurisdiction and that some officers want to work in a town with more "action". So they move on.
College Terrace
on Sep 20, 2018 at 2:23 pm
on Sep 20, 2018 at 2:23 pm
> rumors suggest that PA is a low-crime jurisdiction and that some officers want to work in a town with more "action". So they move on.
Scary thought. Sounds trigger-happy to me.
>>Does Econ 101 provide clear reasons why people join the Army, the police force or the Border Patrol?
No...just a propensity (or personal preference) towards the use of force.
Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Sep 20, 2018 at 2:33 pm
on Sep 20, 2018 at 2:33 pm
I would add football players, wrestlers, boxers, and many other "sports" where strength used against the opponent is key.
Simple explanations says
>>Does Econ 101 provide clear reasons why people join the Army, the police force or the Border Patrol?
No...just a propensity (or personal preference) towards the use of force.
College Terrace
on Sep 20, 2018 at 2:38 pm
on Sep 20, 2018 at 2:38 pm
>> I would add football players, wrestlers, boxers, and many other "sports" where strength used against the opponent is key.
But they don't pack heat, shoot people or make arrests. "Sports' is KEY word here.
Adobe-Meadow
on Sep 21, 2018 at 9:41 am
on Sep 21, 2018 at 9:41 am
The other posters are right. A friend's brother was considering joining the Palo Alto police department, but because they only deal with very minor issues he didn't think it was good for himself careerwise, even though it paid very well. PA apparently is known as being a good place for police officers once you are "over the hill" and just want to collect a paycheck.
I found it so ironic that while Filseth has banner ads on this website touting fiscal responsibility, about an hour or so into the finance video, he strongly opposes having comparable cuts when there is a budget overun.
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Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Sep 21, 2018 at 9:49 am
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on Sep 21, 2018 at 9:49 am
From the Mayor's message today:
"I was joined on the trip by City Manager James Keene, Assistant to the City Manager, Chantal Gaines and Palo Alto Neighbors Abroad President Bob Wenzlau and Vice President Bing Wei as we forged our civic partnership and reveled in many of the similarities we share."
How nice we can afford to send the mayor and several PA officials on a feel-good mission to China in the midst of our budget woes.
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Evergreen Park
on Sep 21, 2018 at 1:31 pm
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on Sep 21, 2018 at 1:31 pm
Yup, the more sister cities we have the more opportunity for their junkets at our expense
University South
on Sep 21, 2018 at 2:15 pm
on Sep 21, 2018 at 2:15 pm
Interesting that in his “budget busting” Tclaims Tanaka did not mention his insistence on citywide a tunnel for Caltrain. The cost of the tunnel has been estimated at $5 Billion dollars. That kind of makes all other budget items look like chump change, but that is not “budget busting”?
Old Palo Alto
on Sep 21, 2018 at 2:15 pm
on Sep 21, 2018 at 2:15 pm
"rumors suggest that PA is a low-crime jurisdiction and that some officers want to work in a town with more "action". So they move on."
If I was a cop, I'd want to work in a low crime environment (providing there were some good coffee shops in town along with fresh baked pastries).
Safe streets, higher than average pay + interesting places to eat. Who could ask for more?
Why go around looking for trouble?
Crescent Park
on Sep 21, 2018 at 8:39 pm
on Sep 21, 2018 at 8:39 pm
I'm not seeing how the many cheap shots at our police and police dept. contribute anything to this discussion at all.
Palo Verde
on Sep 22, 2018 at 8:41 am
on Sep 22, 2018 at 8:41 am
I’m a former city employee. The situation in the city is like this: imagine if you were a teacher but were not allowed to teach, or a doctor but not allowed to treat patients.
This is what is happening in the city. The planning department has been gutted because all the interesting planning work happens in other cities... It is hard to build anything in Palo Alto. A police officer in Palo Alto is relegated to doing what in most other cities is considered rookie or demotion type of work because of the low crime rate. The high pay attracts employees with skills who want to practice their craft, but in Palo Alto there really isn't any interesting work to do, so people leave or don't want to come here. At the same time unions use these vacancies to get even higher pay.
The solution is to merge some of these no work departments with other cities that have more real work to do. It would also help with the budget.
Palo Alto Hills
on Sep 22, 2018 at 9:09 am
on Sep 22, 2018 at 9:09 am
> but in Palo Alto there really isn't any interesting work to do, so people leave or don't want to come here...
But the salaries and retirement benefits are outstanding. It's an ideal work environment for those who prefer to just put in their time and collect a paycheck.
After all, not everyone is a 'go-getter'.
Professorville
on Sep 22, 2018 at 2:53 pm
on Sep 22, 2018 at 2:53 pm
>The solution is to merge some of these no work departments
>with other cities that have more real work to do. It would also
>help with the budget.
Merging functions with nearby cities is the only sustainable answer. With Palo Alto effectively "built-out", and being a low crime locale, merging functions like the police, the fire department, HR, Parks & Recreation would allow merging cities to reduce the headcounts on their payrolls, and this would lead to reduced pension obligations. Infrastructure costs would not go down since all physical things have a finite service life.
Rather than paying salaries for work that could be reorganized and performed less expensively--that money could be better spent on the never-ending need to replace/refurbish infrastructure.
College Terrace
on Sep 22, 2018 at 2:55 pm
on Sep 22, 2018 at 2:55 pm
> How nice we can afford to send the mayor and several PA officials on a feel-good mission to China in the midst of our budget woes.
Wow...the City of Palo Alto has its own diplomatic corps?
>> "...as we forged our civic partnership and reveled in many of the similarities we share."
Spoken like true ambassadors (or politicians).
another community
on Sep 22, 2018 at 3:15 pm
on Sep 22, 2018 at 3:15 pm
As a city employee, Palo Alto is incredibly rich and can afford a lot more taxes. Also, the community is so spoiled and entitled. Even though there might not be much work, staff absolutely deserves hazard pay for having to deal with such difficult residents. Plus, residents don't mind paying a lot more taxes or utility rates so don't be stingy. 12% or more raises are completely reasonable given the work environment. Residents always wonder why employees don't live in Palo Alto. Hint: it is not the money. Who would want to live in a place full of difficult residents?
Council got it right by putting employees before residents.
College Terrace
on Sep 22, 2018 at 3:38 pm
on Sep 22, 2018 at 3:38 pm
>As a city employee, Palo Alto is incredibly rich and can afford a lot more taxes. Also, the community is so spoiled and entitled. Even though there might not be much work, staff absolutely deserves hazard pay for having to deal with such difficult residents.
^^^^Straight from the horse's mouth...by an overpaid and self-admitted under-worked CPA employee.
The PA community is 'so spoiled and entitled'?
Is this another example of 'the pot calling the kettle black'?
Enjoy your countless coffee breaks and CALPers. You've earned them.
Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Sep 22, 2018 at 4:14 pm
on Sep 22, 2018 at 4:14 pm
>> and being a low crime locale
If these comments are actually true, I guess would-be policemen consider traffic safety beneath them. Watching too many action-filled TV shows I guess. I see way-aggressive driving, speeding (when traffic isn't completely blocked during rush hour), and traffic safety issues all over the city.
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Professorville
on Sep 22, 2018 at 4:36 pm
Registered user
on Sep 22, 2018 at 4:36 pm
"...in Palo Alto there really isn't any interesting work to do, so people leave or don't want to come here."
Well, that does explain some of the resume-padding projects that have happened over the last few years.
But it seems to me that there are a number of interesting and challenging problems offering opportunities for meaningful work within the city limits. Grade separation is top of the list at the moment, but there must be half a dozen others in the transportation sector alone. I've been asking for comprehensive traffic flow measurement for years.
Professorville
on Sep 22, 2018 at 4:39 pm
on Sep 22, 2018 at 4:39 pm
> I see way-aggressive driving, speeding (when traffic isn't
> completely blocked during rush hour), and traffic
> safety issues all over the city
Issues involving traffic safety are a function of police management, the traffic engineering folks, and the City Council. For years, those running for Council have sent out fliers of themselves on bicycles, and little sound-bytes about "dealing with traffic in the neighborhoods" .. and then when elected, they never do anything about the problems. Couple that with their constant approval of projects that bring more traffic to town.
Given the general belief (or laws) concerning a property owner's right to improve the value of his/her property by development, in most cases, the Council can't do much. On the other hand, past Councils have bent over backward to approve PC (Planned Community) zonings without demanding much of value back for the zoning variances granted developers. They have failed to use the power they did have to reduce the scale and scope of development.
As to traffic enforcement, that topic could take hours to discuss in a venue like this one. Use of technology to monitor motorist speed has resulted in "privacy advocates" coming out of the woodwork to oppose most proposed solutions. No one knows for certain how many vehicle trips per day are made here in PA. The traffic people have been unwilling to install state-of-the-art vehicle monitoring (speed) equipment so that actual and accurate vehicle counts/speed can be provided to the public for the major arteries in PA. There was (and probably still is) resistance to the visible speed annunciators that have begun to be used more here in town than in past few years.
And then there is the issue of police officers having to appear in court on their day off to testify against drivers who are contesting their tickets.
All-in-all, an almost impossible nut to crack without a complete rethinking of traffic enforcement here in Palo Alto--particularly with the 25mph limit set on most streets.
Duveneck/St. Francis
on Sep 22, 2018 at 6:01 pm
on Sep 22, 2018 at 6:01 pm
> "rumors suggest that PA is a low-crime jurisdiction and that some officers want to work in a town with more "action". So they move on."
>> If these comments are actually true, I guess would-be policemen consider traffic safety beneath them. Watching too many action-filled TV shows I guess.
Probably. Too many TJ Hooker, NYPD and Lethal Weapon viewings. Palo Alto just doesn't provide enough excitement.
Traffic safety best left to the volunteer reserves during Stanford football games.
Los Altos Hills
on Sep 23, 2018 at 8:22 am
on Sep 23, 2018 at 8:22 am
I'm shocked to see all of these ungrateful snide remarks from residents. Sure as a city employee we get pensions for life, every other Friday off, and top pay. However, look at what kind of community we have to serve. No one in the private sector has to deal with such bad customers.
The other poster got it right, our massive compensation is hazard pay. So next time you see us get another double digits raise or see a highly paid employee that doesn't do anything, remember that you residents deserve this.
College Terrace
on Sep 23, 2018 at 8:47 am
on Sep 23, 2018 at 8:47 am
> I'm shocked to see all of these ungrateful snide remarks from residents. Sure as a city employee we get pensions for life, every other Friday off, and top pay. However, look at what kind of community we have to serve.
>> No one in the private sector has to deal with such bad customers.
I can think of several occupational exceptions...flight attendants, auto mechanics, Wal-Mart clerks to name a few. And most of them do not receive your aforementioned job-related 'perks'.
As far as 'bad customers' are concerned, try to keep in mind that tax-paying PA residents are also the ones who pay your salary so in essence, you work for them.
Talk about arrogance and a self-serving attitude. The only city employees deserving of 'hazard pay' are public safety and utilities employees...not some desk worker putting incoming calls from various PA residents on 'hold'.
Professorville
on Sep 23, 2018 at 12:16 pm
on Sep 23, 2018 at 12:16 pm
Sometimes these conversations get "trolled" and the discussion goes sideways.
I've dealt with only a small number of City employees, but most have been courteous and helpful. Have had a little trouble, from time-to-time, with employees who had not received training in public records requests. But generally, once a manager became involved, the information I was requesting was made readily available.
Suggest that maybe comments introduced a little earlier might not be from a city employee and shouldn't be worthy of much comment.
Charleston Meadows
on Sep 23, 2018 at 2:33 pm
on Sep 23, 2018 at 2:33 pm
> The only city employees deserving of 'hazard pay' are public safety and utilities employees...not some desk worker putting incoming calls from various PA residents on 'hold'.
Agreed. Then again, why let one's coffee get cold? It's much easier to put it on 'call forward' and let the incoming call make its rounds throughout city hall. By the time the inquiry gets back to you, it's lunchtime and you are 'currently unavailable'. Please call back later.
Midtown
on Sep 24, 2018 at 9:10 am
on Sep 24, 2018 at 9:10 am
I've had some of the worst Customer experience with the city. My experience with the DMV has been better. It doesn't seem to matter what it is, whether it is picking up my parking permit to dealing with errors on my utility bill. The city needs to do some quality control or maybe we should all start complaining on Twitter to get the attention of the city. Twitter complaints seem to get companies' attention in the private sector.
Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Sep 24, 2018 at 10:36 am
on Sep 24, 2018 at 10:36 am
In re "Traffic safety": I get the idea that some may have misunderstood. To be more explicit: car-after-car-after-car going 35-45 on narrow** residential streets, barely slowing down while turning right at stop signs, not following speed limits generally, weaving through traffic with kids on bicycles ("kids" => including anyone not riding in a straight line), constant tailgating of whatever car is ahead, going around one-way traffic barriers, blocking major streets, e.g. El Camino Real, by pulling ahead into the intersection when it is likely, or certain, to turn red before the intersection clears.
And besides all the illegal stuff above, just driving excessively aggressively and rudely.
Back in the old days, the city actually tried to keep a lid on all this, but, no longer. More recently, Mountain View did, so that drivers would always slow down on ECR when they cross the MV city limit. No longer. Maybe being a traffic cop is boring as some of the posts suggest, but, the constant aggressive, rude, dangerous driving has caused a major deterioration in the environment here.
** not wide enough for two cars to pass each other considering the inevitable cars and trucks parked on both sides of the street
Barron Park
on Sep 24, 2018 at 1:55 pm
on Sep 24, 2018 at 1:55 pm
>> Maybe being a traffic cop is boring as some of the posts suggest, but, the constant aggressive, rude, dangerous driving has caused a major deterioration in the environment here.
Solution. Instill a rewards incentive program for traffic officers who issue the most citations that are not overturned in traffic court. A % of the fine would serve as a commission.
Once the program is established, set-up a number of fake police cars near street corners like they used to in the old days...a plywood cut-out that from a distance looks like a squad car. Watch the traffic slow down.
another community
on Sep 24, 2018 at 5:45 pm
on Sep 24, 2018 at 5:45 pm
You also have the right to make a 'citizen's arrest'. Simply photo or jot down the license # & report it to the PD or CHP. They will investigate the matter further.
You also have the right (as a citizen) to issue a citation to an offending driver.
If they tear the citation up & throw it in your face, you can also cite them for obstruction of justice & littering.
Know your rights as an American citizen.
Evergreen Park
on Sep 25, 2018 at 9:36 am
on Sep 25, 2018 at 9:36 am
>You also have the right (as a citizen) to issue a citation to an offending driver.
Probably best to use some discretion. What if they pull out a concealed weapon? This is an occupational hazard for CHP and police.
If proceeding with the issuance of a citation, carefully size the individual up. Appearances matter.
Lastly, will you be using a simple pad of paper or will you be printing up some forms especially suited for this application? A printed citation (with carbon copies for submission) will look far more professional and accurately convey your status as a concerned citizen.
While impersonating a LEO is against the law, wearing a T-shirt or windbreaker with Municipal Traffic Coordinator printed on it will let others know that you are being serious in your endeavors.
Like various 'neighborhood watch' committees perhaps you can enlist the services of others in this pro-active pursuit to ensure traffic safety.
Midtown
on Sep 25, 2018 at 2:08 pm
on Sep 25, 2018 at 2:08 pm
> While impersonating a LEO is against the law, wearing a T-shirt or windbreaker with Municipal Traffic Coordinator printed on it will let others know that you are being serious in your endeavors.
Is it OK to use flashing red/blue lights? I think having a siren is illegal but it's permissible to use a PA system to address other drivers (or those you wish to pull over).
Lastly, what do you do if the driver you are pursuing or wish to cite accelerates beyond the speed limit in order to avoid getting pulled over?
I think giving chase would create a hazardous situation for other drivers and calling 911 a bit extreme.
Evergreen Park
on Sep 25, 2018 at 6:00 pm
on Sep 25, 2018 at 6:00 pm
Forget about trying to shame the city into doing better via Twitter complaints. City employees know that they have a monopoly, and no matter how poor the service is, you can't fire them
Duveneck/St. Francis
on Sep 25, 2018 at 6:26 pm
on Sep 25, 2018 at 6:26 pm
>>You also have the right (as a citizen) to issue a citation to an offending driver.
It would also help to be bi/multi-lingual as well.
And how would one detain a driver they suspect is DUI?