As the number of COVID-19 cases continued to spike across Santa Clara County this week, Palo Alto's city leaders found themselves staring at two distinct but related assignments: manage a raging health crisis and try to save the local economy from falling into a rapid downward spiral.
The county's shelter-in-place orders, which have been in effect since mid-March, may have prevented a deeper public health crisis in the region, but they have also taken a heavy toll on the business sector. Scores of restaurants and retailers have shut down. Some eateries pivoted to outdoor dining, only to find the activity suddenly prohibited under the county's most recent stay-at-home directive. Other businesses, including gyms, hotels and entertainment venues, face an even more uncertain future as residents curtail their travel plans and the work-from-home model continues to stick.
So far, the effects of the economic recession on the Peninsula have been significant but geographically uneven. In some areas, sales tax revenues have remained relatively flat; in others, they have plunged steeply. Palo Alto and Mountain View both fall in the latter category, according to a report from Thomas Adams, whose firm Avenu Insights and Analytics serves as Palo Alto's sales tax consultant. In the third quarter of 2020, sales tax revenues in Palo Alto dropped by 23.2% from the same period in 2019. In Mountain View, the decline was 24.2%. By contrast, sales tax revenues in Redwood City and San Mateo shrank by only 0.1%, while in Walnut Creek they went up by 1.3%, according to Adams.
"While you can look at statewide numbers, each jurisdiction is its own entity and has its own trends," Adams said during a Nov. 30 panel discussion on the impending economic recovery.
In Palo Alto, the trends are looking particularly grim. City staff are currently projecting a $34.6 million drop in tax revenues, with sales-tax receipts decreasing by $13.8 million from last year's $34.3 million and hotel-tax revenues plunging by $14.4 million, from $29.3 million to $14.9 million, as hotels still report vacancies of about 80%.
With Stanford University offering remote classes, business travel virtually nonexistent and most major employers switching to telecommuting, the local demand for hotel rooms, restaurant meals and high-end apparel has shrunk. In fact, the city's daytime population is now roughly half of what it was pre-COVID, City Manager Ed Shikada told the council in a Nov. 30 presentation on the city's economic recovery strategies. Prior to the pandemic, the city saw about 130,000 people on the weekdays; now it's down to about 70,000.
"What was previously almost a doubling of our population during the day is no longer working here in Palo Alto on a day-to-day basis," Shikada said. "As such, the population and quite frankly the market that businesses here in town are serving has changed dramatically in our shelter-in-place environment."
While population loss is one factor in the economic recession, Palo Alto's retail mix is another. The city draws nearly 59% of its revenues from its 25 largest tax producers, according to Adams. The list includes numerous department stores (Macy's, Nordstrom and Neiman Marcus) as well as purveyors of luxury goods (Louis Vuitton, Hermes and Richemont), sectors that have seen significant losses during the sweatpants-friendly era of the pandemic. Palo Alto is also a restaurant-heavy town, which makes it particularly vulnerable to health orders that ban dining in.
Because of the vagaries of state law, the decline of retail in Palo Alto also means that the city is receiving less revenue from online sales. Under the existing "county pool" system, taxes from online sales get pooled from all jurisdictions in the county and then distributed to individual cities. The share each city gets depends on how well its brick-and-mortar retail is doing, Adams said. Palo Alto, which has historically received between 6% and 7% of the county pool, allocations saw its share dwindle to 5% in the last two quarters, according to Adams.
In some ways, things have gotten slightly less dismal in recent months. The city saw cash receipts drop by 38% in the second quarter of this year, when compared to the same period of 2019. In the third quarter, the loss from the prior year was less: 24%, according to Adams' report.
However, the most recent health orders, which further restrict business activity, are expected to further cut into local revenue.
"Efforts to contain COVID-19 are paramount to public health and will have corresponding impacts on revenue streams like sales tax as certain economic activities remain limited and constrained by regulations," a report from Avenu states.
A sudden recession
The current recession is distinct from prior ones in several ways, Adams said. Normally, recessions take between six to nine months to materialize; this one happened virtually overnight. And while most recessions have a big impact on major expenditures — including auto sales and construction projects — this one is hitting sectors that typically aren't affected as much: namely, restaurants and retail.
"This pandemic recession is an artificially created recession due to constraints on regulation and consumer behavior relating to perception of safety and that sort of thing," Adams said.
Adams said he expects the city's economic recovery to take about four years, though the exact length will be determined by factors such as a potential fiscal stimulus, the success of the vaccines and the policies of President-elect Joe Biden's administration.
Jerry Nickelsburg, an economist and faculty director at the UCLA Anderson Forecast, suggested that while high-tech sectors with high-income jobs may recover sooner, the leisure and hospitality industry may not get back to its pre-COVID levels until 2024 or later. Sectors with halting recoveries will likely include tourism, restaurant, bars, live events, accommodations and retail, Nickelsburg told the council during the Nov. 30 discussion.
"We're expecting California to outperform the U.S. because of its technology industry. It will be generating high-income jobs, all in construction and in advanced manufacturing. But it's going to lag in low-income jobs of leisure, hospitality and retail. So the issue of inequality is only going to get worse in California, absent policy intervention."
Nickelsburg also rejected the notion that stay-at-home orders stand in the way of economic recovery. He cited a June 2020 paper by Sergio Correia, Stephan Luck and Emil Verner, which evaluated how different cities responded to the 1918 pandemic. The researchers found that "non-pharmaceutical interventions" (NPI) such as shelter-in-place orders were associated with better economic outcomes after the pandemic, not worse.
"If anything, cities with stricter NPIs during the pandemic perform better in the year after the pandemic," the three researchers wrote in their paper, "Pandemics Depress the Economy, Public Health Interventions Do Not: Evidence from the 1918 Flu."
"There's a lot of discussion about, 'Are we trading off the economy for health outcomes?'" Nickelsubrg said. "All of the evidence from 1918-1919 suggests that that's not a tradeoff. That if you get better health outcomes, you also get better economic outcomes."
Nicholas Bloom, a professor at Stanford University who conducts monthly surveys with 2,500 employees across the nation, suggested that some of the existing work trends will outlive the pandemic. His surveys show that the majority of employees — and employers — in industries that currently accommodate remote work favor a post-pandemic model that entails three days of coming to the office and two days of working from home.
"When you ask firms what they plan, there is a very strong consensus that post-pandemic these folks are going to come back to work in the office something like three days a week," Bloom told the council.
The lingering telecommuting trend need not necessarily spell doom for Palo Alto's economy. According to Bloom, the city will continue to see demand for office space, particularly in smaller, low-rise office buildings where workers do not need to crowd into elevators or sit in tight cubicles. He also noted that some of telecommuters live in Palo Alto and, as such, could support local businesses by eating out.
But while restaurants and retailers may see some signs of recovery next year, sectors such as gyms, entertainment venues, leisure and travel, may see permanent reductions, Bloom said.
"For planning, things like allowing gyms, cinemas and things like that to be repurposed to be office space or something else may be something that is going to be important," Bloom said. "Some of these things are seeing permanent demand shifts."
What's a city to do?
Like other cities in the Bay Area and across the nation, Palo Alto is striving to respond to — and shape — the new normal. Last week, Shikada unveiled the city's Economic Recovery Strategy, a broad framework that combines short-term measures for managing the pandemic (virus testing, contact tracing and vaccine distribution) and long-term projects to help sustain — and in some cases, transform — the business sector.
The recovery effort could significantly alter the city's zoning code, its business climate and the look and feel of its primary commercial districts, which have already seen a remarkable transformation since the shelter-in-place orders first took effect in March. This week, in response to the county's latest health order, the council suspended the most popular program of the pandemic era: the closures of University and California avenues to cars. While the council had intended to keep the streets car-free at least until Memorial Day, Shikada moved to temporarily reopen them because the latest public health order bans all forms of onsite restaurant dining, including eating outdoors, at least until early January.
The City Council expects the recovery effort to dominate its agenda for the next year, and likely longer. Most members have proposed including it as an official priority for 2021. Shikada, for his part, has been holding regular meetings with downtown business owners as part of the city's ongoing initiative, Uplift Local.
"We did have a discussion this afternoon with a few downtown businesses, based on the really devastating situation that they're now confronting in additional restrictions relating to the pandemic," Shikada told the council on Dec. 7. "One comment that resonated was that this is the time for us to start thinking long-term and to be able to — while working through today's emergency — start to really focus our attention on what the long-term strategy is for continued vacancy both downtown, Cal. Ave. and citywide."
In some areas, the recovery effort may spur the city to achieve things that council members have intermittently discussed for decades but that invariably failed to advance beyond the wishful-musings stage (the closure of University Avenue falls into this category). Council members and city staff agreed this week, for example, that the time is ripe to take another look at Fiber to the Home, an effort to bring high-speed internet access to every household through the municipal dark-fiber-optic network. After three decades of exploring — and ultimately discarding — the idea, there is general consensus now that this may be the right time to finally turn this vision into reality. Vice Mayor Tom DuBois and council members Greg Tanaka and Lydia Kou all spoke in favor of advancing the Fiber to the Home program during recent meetings on the economic recovery. Shikada also listed expanding community outreach on Fiber to the Home as one of the city's "priority initiatives."
"We really need high-speed, reliable, affordable internet, I think, for everyone," Tanaka said. "Especially if work-from-home is going to be more standard, which I think it is. I think it's going to be around here longer."
Cracking the code
In considering the troubling retail trends, Palo Alto's elected leaders have largely acknowledged that "business as usual" is no longer a viable option. As such, the council's recovery plan will almost certainly include changes to the zoning code, some of which are already in the works.
On Dec. 14, its final meeting of the year, the council is expected to make it easier for commercial recreation businesses such as gyms and yoga studios to set up shop downtown by removing the existing requirement for conditional-use permits and by relaxing parking standards. The new rule would apply only to businesses with up to 5,000 square feet of gross floor area (effectively treating them like boutique "personal service" studios), and it would exclude parcels that front on University Avenue.
The proposed ordinance would also remove existing conditional-use permit requirements for barbershops and salons in the California Avenue business district. In addition, medical offices with less than 5,000 square feet in floor area would no longer require a conditional-use permit to open in commercially zoned districts (currently, the threshold is 2,500 square feet).
While these changes are relatively minor, the council had recently signaled its intent to consider more significant — and contentious — zoning revisions in the near future. The most controversial of these is a proposal to allow banks, law firms, architecture firms and other types of office banks to fill downtown spaces currently reserved for retail and restaurants. The city's Planning and Transportation Commission will be considering the proposal in the coming months. The commission will also weigh a proposal to scrap the citywide requirement to reserve ground-floor spaces in commercial zones for retailers. While four council members support removing the requirement in most areas of the city (while keeping it along University and California avenues), the proposal is unlikely to advance under next year's council: Newly elected council members Pat Burt and Greer Stone have been far less enthusiastic about removing retail protections than outgoing members Adrian Fine and Liz Kniss.
Meanwhile, council member Tanaka suggested at a recent meeting that the city consider removing its longstanding prohibition on big-box retail stores. He noted during a November hearing that businesses such as Costco, Walmart and Home Depot have actually thrived during the pandemic, while small, speciality stores that Palo Alto has generally supported continue to get hammered during the recession.
Other council members did not support this plan, but they generally agreed that it would be appropriate to take a fresh look at the city's retail laws and adjust them to accommodate the new reality.
"We really are at an inflection point and our businesses will be transitioning and transforming," council member Alison Cormack said on Nov. 30. "And while we're supporting our existing businesses, I want us to think long and hard about what it will look like in the future."
Meeting business and community needs
While the zoning changes could take months — or years — to make a difference, other proposed measures would have a more immediate impact. These include further changes to California and University, which had been closed to traffic since June and July, respectively.
One idea that was proposed by John Shenk, CEO of the real-estate firm Thoits Brothers, calls for installing bollards on University Avenue. The city would be able to raise them when needed to close the avenue to traffic and lower them to keep University car-free. At the Dec. 7 meeting, both Tanaka and Shikada spoke in support of the idea,
"We really see a great opportunity there," Shikada said. "There's clearly multiple needs along University. As such, a concept like that could be really helpful for us to be able to adapt to a variety of needs in different times of day and week."
City officials are also considering other ways to boost community morale — and business activity — despite pandemic-era restrictions. Kou recommended launching a business program in which customers can obtain gift certificates that can be used at various local businesses.
DuBois noted that other cities are holding car-based events (Redwood City, for example, holds regular drive-in movie nights at its port as part of its "Motor Movies" series) and recommended that Palo Alto find new and creative ways to host community gatherings in a safe manner. He also suggested that the city restore its recently abandoned grant program to neighborhoods, which were used in the past to fund neighborhood activities.
Kou also supported holding drive-in events, potentially at the Palo Alto Airport. She and Cormack also recommended that the council re-engage with neighborhood associations and other community leaders to discuss the future of retail. In addition, Kou has supported hiring an economic development manager, a position Palo Alto once had, to guide the city's recovery effort and help bring in a viable mix of new retailers.
"I just want to make sure that as we're coming out of it, we don't go back to 'as is' — to what we had pre-COVID," Kou said during the Nov. 30 discussion. "I'd like to see it become more robust and have more diversity in the businesses that we have in town and not just have plenty of just a few things."
Find comprehensive coverage on the Midpeninsula's response to the new coronavirus by Palo Alto Online, the Mountain View Voice and the Almanac here.
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Crescent Park
on Dec 11, 2020 at 7:58 am
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on Dec 11, 2020 at 7:58 am
Until the Covid-19 pandemic recedes allowing for normal retail & dining operations, the local economic recession will remain in full swing regardless of any commercial zoning changes.
If full economic recovery is estimated to take four years (or more), alternative 'essential' type businesses may turn out to be the only ones that can flourish during these trying times.
Given the current state mandated pandemic restrictions & in terms of generating a much needed municipal tax base & a per capita economic stimulus, what if the city were to ZONE certain vacant buildings (in commercial zones) for commercial indoor marijuana cultivation?
Call it the PAMC (Palo Alto Marijuana Cooperative) licensed by the city with 50% of the net proceeds going to the city & the other 50% equally dispersed to Palo Alto residents.
Kind of like the oil rebates in Alaska.
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Ventura
on Dec 11, 2020 at 9:25 am
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on Dec 11, 2020 at 9:25 am
Or we could learn something from the last 10 months and recognize that hamfisted lockdowns don't manage a health crisis, they just magnify the damage. Aside from the destroyed livelihoods and other social harm we've incurred, which will take a decade to reverse, think of the opportunity cost -- all the lost economic resources that could have been directed toward actually protecting the people who need it.
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College Terrace
on Dec 11, 2020 at 10:55 am
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on Dec 11, 2020 at 10:55 am
We should all thank Miriam Green for what she did b/c her successful lawsuit will prevent shenanigans with utility rates and revenue as a tool for economic recovery. If ever a person should receive a placard of commendation from CC, she should.
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Menlo Park
on Dec 11, 2020 at 11:06 am
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on Dec 11, 2020 at 11:06 am
"recognize that hamfisted lockdowns don't manage a health crisis,"
Lockdowns do work - they buy time so that when the lockdown is over there is widespread testing, contact tracing and isolation of infected individuals.
New Zealand, Australia, South Korea and Taiwan all demonstrated this approach.
Lockdowns without aggressive preparation and follow up are useless and harmful.
We keep paying the price of ineffective restrictions because we are not doing the essential companions of widespread testing, contact tracing and isolation of infected individuals.
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Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Dec 11, 2020 at 11:27 am
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on Dec 11, 2020 at 11:27 am
@Annette, you bring up an interesting point. For the last several years PA Utilities has run a $20,000,000 surplus every year due to its "overcharges" where they funnel our "surplus charges" into the General Fund. Now we're due a $12,000,000 refund, excluding the $30 a month city utility tax we pay.
Note Green's lawsuit only applied to gas overcharges but what about all the other services and fees charged by PAU? (Check your bills; you'll be amazed.)
However, the "other paper" recently reported that even in this horrible economy PA ran a $34,000,000 surplus "primarily due to PA Utilities" and Diana Diamond's excellent report that the city has made other questionable overcharges, Web Link
So several questions:
1) Where was the oversight by the City Council and other commissions?
2) Are we hurting or running a surplus thanks to these, er, surcharges?
3) When will we get our refunds?
3) How much will our new refund be since we've seen multiple rate hikes since Green filed her lawsuit and since the new "surplus" is reportedly even higher?
4) Will the new refunds apply to services/fees other than gas (which is cheaper than electricity)?
5) Our current city manager managed PA Utilities while these abuses occurred. Will there be a comprehensive review of PAU?
The "dot.bomb" cash was only 20 years ago; they shouldn't be so short-sighted. Perhaps our new council will recognize the dangers of relying so heavily on commuters and business travelers and return to serving -- not ripping off --the community.
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Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Dec 11, 2020 at 11:37 am
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on Dec 11, 2020 at 11:37 am
PS: Lee Forest makes excellent points about the lost sales tax revenues from LEGAL marijuana sales which are LEGALLY limited to adults, with PA residents overwhelmingly voting to support marijuana legalization years ago.
Why have we so willingly sacrificed those millions of dollars of sales tax revenues and succumbed to hysterical talks about locking up rooms in houses without children and worrying about children breaking into neighbors' yards to steal plants? It's not as if those 6 measly plants are worth more than than the bikes and catalytic converters stolen every night.
It's also not as if we don't know how to order LEGAL delivery or know the way to San Jose.
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Community Center
on Dec 11, 2020 at 11:46 am
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on Dec 11, 2020 at 11:46 am
Thomas Adams is dead wrong when he said our economic recovery will take four years. IMHO, if the vaccine is successful the recovery will a lot shorter than 4 years. Our economy is very resilient and there is a pent-up demand for the services that have been been adversely affected by the lockdown.
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College Terrace
on Dec 11, 2020 at 11:55 am
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on Dec 11, 2020 at 11:55 am
@Online Name: in other words, shenanigans are still possible? If the answer is yes, hopefully community sentiment against the practice will at least impede the practice.
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College Terrace
on Dec 11, 2020 at 1:04 pm
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on Dec 11, 2020 at 1:04 pm
Cormack suggested allowing traditional retail space to be replaced with "office-like" businesses such as banks, title companies, real estate offices, insurance agents, etc. etc. will make for a more vibrant shopping experience!
Cormack's ludicrous comment strongly appears to be carrying water for commercial property owners who will be then be able to jack up their rents so that in future no traditional retail will be able to compete for rent with these "office-like" uses. Guaranteed to permanently gut retail corridors and reduce sales tax. A complete loss for residents, but a boon for commercial property owners and developers.
For an example of what happens when traditional retail can be replaced with other uses, look no further than what happened to shopping along California Avenue after Liz Kniss advocated successfully to allow gyms to take over traditional retail spaces.
There are also long term implications. "Office-like" uses will eventually lead to quietly converting these leases for pure office use, which the city has no means of keeping track of.
Unfortunately, most council members seem to be completely out of touch with what makes for a practical and successful local shopping experience. They either have no idea or choose to look the other way.
What a contrast with the town of Los Altos whose council have protected the interests of their residents and their traditional shopping core along Main and State.
This is exactly the time to put in place stronger restrictions on retail space so that as the economy comes back retail and personal services can compete with each other for leases, not with office-like businesses such as banks etc.
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Downtown North
on Dec 11, 2020 at 2:48 pm
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on Dec 11, 2020 at 2:48 pm
@Peter Carpenter - I generally agree with your point above, but your examples beg a question - three are islands (Australia, NZ, Taiwan - I'd add Japan to the list); and the last a peninsula with a single closed land border (S. Korea - I'd add Singapore here). All also had the "advantage" of first-hand experience with SARS.
I'd suggest being able to close your border is probably the #1 intervention. Once that's done, a uniform national response driven by public health officials is #2. All the examples did both, and US states simply cannot. If you can't do #1 and #2, it may be impossible to get infection levels low enough that the techniques you mention will be effective.
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Menlo Park
on Dec 11, 2020 at 3:00 pm
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on Dec 11, 2020 at 3:00 pm
"All the examples did both, and US states simply cannot. "
Of course we could close our borders. Canada has closed its border with the US without a problem.
We simply lack the will and discipline and therefore we are paying a very, very high price.
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Downtown North
on Dec 11, 2020 at 3:24 pm
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on Dec 11, 2020 at 3:24 pm
@Peter Carpenter - I was referring to US states not being able to close borders to other states. Since the US response varies dramatically at the state level, I only considered what states could implement.
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Crescent Park
on Dec 11, 2020 at 3:30 pm
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on Dec 11, 2020 at 3:30 pm
A conservative macro-economic perspective...
Web Link
Incredible considering the origin of Covid-19, its pervasive global spread + crippling effects on both the economy & public health followed by a remarkable economic rebound from where it all started...or is this to be believed?
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Menlo Park
on Dec 11, 2020 at 3:56 pm
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on Dec 11, 2020 at 3:56 pm
"@Peter Carpenter - I was referring to US states not being able to close borders to other states."
With good Federal and State leadership we could dramatically reduce non-essential travel between states and even within states - if that reduction was accompanied by a plan to actually benefit from such restrictions by widespread testing, contact tracing and isolation of infected individuals.
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Crescent Park
on Dec 11, 2020 at 4:07 pm
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on Dec 11, 2020 at 4:07 pm
>"With good Federal and State leadership we could dramatically reduce non-essential travel between states and even within states - "
^ How about certain countries as well?
A comprehensive travel ban citing various underlying & legitimate national concerns (including public health, illegal immigration, terrorism & espionage etc.) could kill several birds with one stone including the spread of Covid-19.
After all, the pandemic did not originate in the United States but spread even further via what is often considered nowadays as 'non-essential' moving about.
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Mountain View
on Dec 11, 2020 at 8:37 pm
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on Dec 11, 2020 at 8:37 pm
Well, add ORACLE as leaving the Valley.
This is just the beginning of the wave.
I do not think the valley will ever RECOVER to what it was prior to COVID, because of the tech industry VACATING the valley for good.
I am also amazed that it is getting to be a game for renters to move to better apartment paying the same rent, and laughing at their older landlords dropping their prices as much as 40% to get a new tenant. It is reported in the following story in New York, but it is happening everywhere, the story is " A Miserable New Hobby: Move for a Better Deal, Then Spite-Watch the Falling Rent on Your Old Place" (Web Link Specifically:
"For the past five years (until this summer), writer Kate Knibbs lived in a two-bedroom Clinton Hill apartment with her husband and a roommate. But when her lease was up in July — when Manhattan vacancies were skyrocketing and Brooklyn rents sliding — her landlord told her the rent was increasing from $3,250 to $3,300. Knowing that it was a renter’s market, Knibbs attempted to negotiate the price down, pointing to similar apartments going for far less. “We had a really rough spring and we didn’t really wanna deal with moving on top of that,” Knibbs said. Her landlord didn’t budge, so they decided to move out — but she hasn’t exactly moved on. Knibbs kept checking StreetEasy to see if her old apartment had rented already and for how much. That’s when she realized the apartment had been listed for $2,583 per month, $720 less than the landlord had been asking them for."
Mountain View average rents for 1 and 2 bedroom units are down 40% and 30% respectively per the Zumper average website seen here (Web Link
Palo Alto is currently for 1 and 2 bedroom units are 16% and 26% respectively.
As the tech industry departs, because of AB5 more than anything, because they can't use illegal contractors, the valley is going to see a PERMANENT impact.
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University South
on Dec 12, 2020 at 1:20 pm
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on Dec 12, 2020 at 1:20 pm
Americans don’t allow their leaders to do what would be necessary to control the virus in short order. Hundreds of thousands of deaths don’t register on the same level as their personal right to “unfettered freedom”.
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Mountain View
on Dec 12, 2020 at 10:54 pm
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on Dec 12, 2020 at 10:54 pm
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Crescent Park
on Dec 13, 2020 at 10:51 am
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on Dec 13, 2020 at 10:51 am
Speaking of 'essential' and/or non-essential businesses allowed to remain open during the pandemic...
In San Diego County, Superior Court Judge Joel J. Wolhfeil ruled that strip clubs can remain open 7 nights a week between the hours of 5-9PM.
Neighbors are now complaining of outdoor tents & sub-woofers blasting away while patrons admire & stuff currency in various G-strings.
One complainant raised the question if hiring nude dancing girls would also allow restaurants, churches & schools to remain open during state & county mandated pandemic restrictions.
source: San Diego Union Tribune 12/13/20 pp.B15
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Old Palo Alto
on Dec 14, 2020 at 5:16 pm
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on Dec 14, 2020 at 5:16 pm
Only SMALL BUSINESSES are hurt by the Covid downturn.
You forgot to point out that LARGE BUSINESSES based in Palo Alto -- including Tesla and Palantir (which actually IS still here and has not given up any of its office space) -- as well as large companies with big offices here in Palo Alto, such as Amazon.com (Cloud), Facebook (Oculus) and Google (Nest) -- have never been more PROFITABLE!
The experts you quote also say that more than $300 BILLION PROFITS has been made OFF the pandemic by these huge tech conglomerates, a large number of which have big presences right here.
You mocked my argument for a large business tax when I told you that taxing the largest businesses is necessary for the local economy to survive. You questioned and rolled your eyes when I explained that every other city that has enacted a large business tax -- including East Palo Alto, Mountain View, Redwood City -- and EVERY other city with a business presence! -- is using the business tax revenue in part to support the local economy. You said I was "unrealistic" when I pointed out what these same experts say - and literally every other city knows -- it is impossible to recover when the most profitable and wealthy among us not only don't pay their fair share, but in fact, they don't pay a dime.
You were wrong. You still are. Because there is no mystery to this. To recover, we must tax the most profitable and largest big businesses that have a presence here. The more we tax them, the faster we recover.
But thanks to your slanted and counterproductive writing, and your paper's endorsements, you moved us in the exact opposite direction, and that solution - any solution - is far off. You got what you wanted ... or did you?
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Old Palo Alto
on Dec 14, 2020 at 5:24 pm
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on Dec 14, 2020 at 5:24 pm
As to why companies are leaving the Bay Area -- they have explained this. They are leaving due to lack of infrastructure investment, which makes it too hard for employees to work successfully. They also are leaving due to lack of affordable housing, which makes it too hard to recruit.
Study after study confirms that tax rate has no impact on where a company settles. This is obviously true, and meshes with recent migrations to Texas, which may not have an income tax, but which sure as heck has a business tax, including - even! - business taxes on property that are three times higher than California.
Rather, companies locate where they can find the best employees. Here in the Bay Area, they cannot recruit because fewer and fewer can afford to live here. Cities like Palo Alto (mostly Palo Alto) have caused this problem by failing to produce affordable housing, to preserve what housing there is, and by failing to protect tenants. Without a strong recruiting base, companies move.
Oracle, Tesla, Palantir, and all other California-based (or formerly California-based) companies pay very little business tax in California. Here in Palo Alto, they pay ZERO business tax.
What many people don't recognize is that infrastructure investments like public transportation, and the provision of affordable housing, plus well-funded public schools, all attract not just residents but also businesses.
Want to bring big employers back to California? It's actually the things that higher taxes bring that attract companies, rather than the promise of lower taxes. Specifically, strong public schools, ample affordable housing, robust public transit systems, and a strong community infrastructure all attract businesses. Sometimes things that are GOOD for us actually are good for others too.
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Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Dec 14, 2020 at 7:16 pm
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on Dec 14, 2020 at 7:16 pm
Oh come on. Billionaires Musk and Ellison are running to Texas cause it has no personal income tax and extremely low business taxes.
Greed is the answer.
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Crescent Park
on Dec 15, 2020 at 8:44 am
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on Dec 15, 2020 at 8:44 am
>"Unfortunately, most council members seem to be completely out of touch with what makes for a practical and successful local shopping experience."
^ Given recent developments...most council members seem to be completely out of touch with what makes FOR A PRACTICAL AND SUCCESSFULL 'PALO ALTO' LIVING EXPERIENCE.
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College Terrace
on Dec 15, 2020 at 12:56 pm
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on Dec 15, 2020 at 12:56 pm
Lee, thank you for quoting me. Never more obvious than during last night's discussion, giving the death knell to traditional retail. No retail property owner is going to lease to retail as long as there is the slightest possibility they can up the rent and convert their space to more lucrative "office-like" uses. This will open the floodgates for a retail death spiral.
As a very long-time council watcher, whenever council says they will "revisit" at some future time, in this case two years, it doesn't happen. Institutional memory is short. Council members leave, it gets forgotten. Is any retail space converted to an "office-like" business going to be evicted in two years if this issue is revisited and the economy recovering? A fait accompli.
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Old Palo Alto
on Dec 15, 2020 at 6:52 pm
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on Dec 15, 2020 at 6:52 pm
May 2020 :
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December 2020: Tesla moves HQ to Austin
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Old Palo Alto
on Dec 15, 2020 at 6:54 pm
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on Dec 15, 2020 at 6:54 pm
May 2020: Gavin Newsom not worried about Elon Musk moving Tesla from California
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December 2020: Elon Musk moves Tesla HQ to Austin
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Mountain View
on Dec 15, 2020 at 7:49 pm
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on Dec 15, 2020 at 7:49 pm
You remided me of Alfred E. Neuman:
"What Me Worry?"
Too bad MAD Magazine is not published anymore, it would be able to have 300 pages with what is happening to us today.
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Downtown North
on Dec 16, 2020 at 5:41 pm
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on Dec 16, 2020 at 5:41 pm
I closed my business downtown after 20+ years, and me and all of the jobs from my company are moving to Texas. If they can run a state without income taxes, there's no reason to pay them here except for sheer stupidity. The work can be done from anywhere. So good luck to all of you suckers continuing to pay taxes that other states don't seem to need.
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Mountain View
on Dec 16, 2020 at 8:32 pm
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on Dec 16, 2020 at 8:32 pm
In response to CGPA you wrote:
“I closed my business downtown after 20+ years, and me and all of the jobs from my company are moving to Texas. If they can run a state without income taxes, there's no reason to pay them here except for sheer stupidity.”
Believe me it is hard to not agree with you. But you are going to learn that there are other prices that you are going to pay being there. Just understand you can get Snow storms in Texas, but they completely freeze all activities there because they are not like New England where I grew up. You will also deal with Tropical Storms which last year Texas got hit with MANY of them. On top of that there still are extreme cold, extreme heat and extreme humidity which can cost a lot in heating and cooling. Finally, the distances for getting goods are SIGNIFICANTLY longer, so you will find yourself driving a lot more. And there is NO MASS TRANSIT. Maybe you aren’t looking at all the variables.
But none the less the facts are many businesses are doing exactly what you described. You wrote:
“The work can be done from anywhere. So good luck to all of you suckers continuing to pay taxes that other states don't seem to need.”
That kind of simplistic thinking can be dangerous. You cannot determine that a state is managing itself well simply based on the taxes it charges. It also deals with what public services you are given and what price.
Just saying, you should be careful.
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Crescent Park
on Dec 17, 2020 at 10:39 am
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on Dec 17, 2020 at 10:39 am
From a retail standpoint (and presumably a Republican perspective)...
"Most Americans don't need more stimulus, said Judge Glock in National Review.com. People who are still working "have the money and the will to buy things, but they can't, "because stores, restaurants, and hotels are either shut down or considered unsafe. That's why the savings rate jumped from 7 per cent in February to 20 per cent a few months later."
source: The Week/December 18, 2020 pp.7
^ Seriously? No wonder the U.S. economy is floundering...people can't spend all their money due to public health protocols.
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University South
on Dec 17, 2020 at 7:36 pm
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on Dec 17, 2020 at 7:36 pm
Lee,
Republicans and Democrats should be providing a safety net for those for whom it is unsafe to work.
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Crescent Park
on Dec 17, 2020 at 8:41 pm
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on Dec 17, 2020 at 8:41 pm
>"Republicans and Democrats should be providing a safety net for those for whom it is unsafe to work."
^ So should wealthy owners.like Jeff Bezos of mega corporations like Amazon.
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Downtown North
on Dec 22, 2020 at 11:36 pm
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on Dec 22, 2020 at 11:36 pm
@Rebecca Eisenberg:
"Palantir (which actually IS still here and has not given up any of its office space)"
Palantir's office space at 100 Alma and the small buildings around the corner are all currently on the market. They really left. And not because of your ridiculous assessment that we aren't spending enough but because we are spending too much, far too much. Read my lips: I'm moving because of too high taxes.
@GoldyCissp: I stopped using public transportation in favor of a bike a long time ago, as the public transportation systems are really just wealth redistribution systems. And there are many nice neighborhoods in Texas that are biking distance to shopping: grocery stores, home improvement stores, big box stores and, ahem, Walmart, which doesn't need to move away from Texas neighborhoods like they did from Downtown Palo Alto because we handed thieves the inventory, $950 at a time.
My total tax bill will drop from $70K to $9K. And my entire home will be air conditioned, instead of pretending it isn't needed here, or getting shut off by a mismanaged utility. Yes, I'll pay an extra $2000 per year, big deal my taxes will drop by 30x that and the difference in home prices will MORE than make up for the utilities. Don't kid yourself, I'll save a bundle.
And Fort Worth gets less than 1" of snow per year -- I'll live. In 2020, they got 2/10ths of an inch in January and a dusting in February. Hold me.
And I won't have to shelter in place for weeks at a time because the state can't manage its forests that catch fire every year, and ...the ever increasing California problems just go on and on.
I'll leave you to deal with all of them. For the next 10 years, I'll save $600,000 in taxes. Best of luck to you all who will have to pay them for me when I take my company and its jobs out of this high tax state.
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Adobe-Meadow
on Dec 24, 2020 at 7:25 pm
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on Dec 24, 2020 at 7:25 pm
I drove down University this afternoon. I want to see a giant bookstore - everyone went to the Border store to check out the magazines and current books - get a latte and sweet something. I want to see life - people out strolling and enjoying themselves. If you turn that street into financial institutions then no one will be out. Trying to kill the city more than it is? We need life and some stores that children want to go to.