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Apartment building eyed for The Fish Market site

Project would include 129 residences, retail space

A new proposal from Acclaim Companies would bring 129 apartments to a site in Palo Alto that's currently occupied by The Fish Market. Rendering courtesy city of Palo Alto.

The building on El Camino Real that currently houses The Fish Market could be demolished and replaced with a five-story building featuring 129 apartments and ground-floor retail under a proposal submitted by Menlo Park developer Acclaim Companies.

The development proposed for 3150 El Camino Real, in the Barron Park neighborhood, is just blocks from the site of another housing proposal from Acclaim. Last year, the developer pitched consolidating several commercial and residential sites to create a 119-apartment development, with a small office and retail component, at 2951 El Camino Real, in the Ventura neighborhood. While the Palo Alto City Council has yet to formally vote on either project, members gave the Ventura project generally positive feedback in January during a preliminary hearing, with Mayor Tom DuBois calling an "interesting opportunity."

Both of Acclaim's mixed-use projects are relying on a recently created zoning tool to exceed the city's zoning regulations. Under the "planned home" zone, which Acclaim is applying for, projects can exceed height limits, density regulations and other development standards. In the case of 3150 El Camino, the proposed 57-foot-tall building would go beyond Palo Alto's citywide 50-foot height limit.

Acclaim is also requesting permission to significantly exceed the residential density. The proposed building at the 1-acre site would have a floor-area-ratio of 2.95, whereas 1.5 is normally allowed in the site's "service commercial" (CS) zone. And the residential density of 123 dwellings per acre roughly triples the city's typical limit of 40 residences per acre at sites zoned for multifamily housing.

Lastly, Acclaim is proposing that the city modify its open space requirements to allow just some — but not all — of the units to have private decks. The developer is proposing to create a central courtyard that would allow the building to meet the city's open space requirement despite the shortage of private open space.

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"These modifications will contribute to a vibrant, mixed-use community by preserving existing ground-floor retail and adding up to 26 affordable residential units," Acclaim wrote in the project plans.

The council is scheduled to offer its initial feedback on 3150 El Camino Real at a prescreening session on Aug. 23, a hearing designed to help the developer decide whether to file a formal application. Once a formal application is filed, the project would still need to go through reviews by the Planning and Transportation Commission and the Architectural Review Board before returning to the council for formal approval.

If it advances, the project would join a procession of developments that are either already in the works or will soon enter into the construction phase in neighborhoods close to the project site, including Mayfield and Ventura. Recently approved and constructed projects include the mixed-use project at 2515 El Camino, at the former site of Olive Garden, and the 59-apartment project at 2755 El Camino Real, which is at the site of a former Santa Clara Valley Transportation Authority parking lot and which consists of small units geared toward the local workforce.

Just south of this area, in the Ventura neighborhood, the council is preparing to review a proposal from The Sobrato Organization for 85 townhouses at 200 Portage Ave., next to the former site of Fry's Electronics. The council is also in the middle of reviewing the North Ventura Coordinated Area Plan, a new vision document for a broader 60-acre portion of Ventura, which includes the former Fry's site at 340 Portage Ave. The plan area includes the property at 280 Lambert Ave., where a developer has proposed 49 condominiums in two buildings just south of the Matadero Creek — a proposal that received generally positive reviews from the City Council on Monday.

The council had also approved the expansion of Hotel Parmani, which will be reconstructed as a four-story building just south of The Fish Market site. The city has also recently approved a mixed-use project at 3225 El Camino, which includes eight condominiums.

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While the council has been eyeing the Fry's site for residential use for decades, the new proposal for The Fish Market site has not previously been seen as a prime housing site. The city's Housing Element has identified the two El Camino sites on which the development would stand as having a "realistic capacity" of 21 housing units between them. A report from the Department of Planning and Community Environment notes that the development, if approved, would exceed the city's estimate by 109 residences.

If approved, the project would likely spell the end of The Fish Market once the new building replaces the existing one. The application calls for retail and offices replacing the existing restaurant space at 3150 El Camino Real. The restaurant's future had been the subject of speculation since last year, when Acclaim purchased the property. In May, however, the restaurant announced that it has no imminent plans to leave.

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Apartment building eyed for The Fish Market site

Project would include 129 residences, retail space

The building on El Camino Real that currently houses The Fish Market could be demolished and replaced with a five-story building featuring 129 apartments and ground-floor retail under a proposal submitted by Menlo Park developer Acclaim Companies.

The development proposed for 3150 El Camino Real, in the Barron Park neighborhood, is just blocks from the site of another housing proposal from Acclaim. Last year, the developer pitched consolidating several commercial and residential sites to create a 119-apartment development, with a small office and retail component, at 2951 El Camino Real, in the Ventura neighborhood. While the Palo Alto City Council has yet to formally vote on either project, members gave the Ventura project generally positive feedback in January during a preliminary hearing, with Mayor Tom DuBois calling an "interesting opportunity."

Both of Acclaim's mixed-use projects are relying on a recently created zoning tool to exceed the city's zoning regulations. Under the "planned home" zone, which Acclaim is applying for, projects can exceed height limits, density regulations and other development standards. In the case of 3150 El Camino, the proposed 57-foot-tall building would go beyond Palo Alto's citywide 50-foot height limit.

Acclaim is also requesting permission to significantly exceed the residential density. The proposed building at the 1-acre site would have a floor-area-ratio of 2.95, whereas 1.5 is normally allowed in the site's "service commercial" (CS) zone. And the residential density of 123 dwellings per acre roughly triples the city's typical limit of 40 residences per acre at sites zoned for multifamily housing.

Lastly, Acclaim is proposing that the city modify its open space requirements to allow just some — but not all — of the units to have private decks. The developer is proposing to create a central courtyard that would allow the building to meet the city's open space requirement despite the shortage of private open space.

"These modifications will contribute to a vibrant, mixed-use community by preserving existing ground-floor retail and adding up to 26 affordable residential units," Acclaim wrote in the project plans.

The council is scheduled to offer its initial feedback on 3150 El Camino Real at a prescreening session on Aug. 23, a hearing designed to help the developer decide whether to file a formal application. Once a formal application is filed, the project would still need to go through reviews by the Planning and Transportation Commission and the Architectural Review Board before returning to the council for formal approval.

If it advances, the project would join a procession of developments that are either already in the works or will soon enter into the construction phase in neighborhoods close to the project site, including Mayfield and Ventura. Recently approved and constructed projects include the mixed-use project at 2515 El Camino, at the former site of Olive Garden, and the 59-apartment project at 2755 El Camino Real, which is at the site of a former Santa Clara Valley Transportation Authority parking lot and which consists of small units geared toward the local workforce.

Just south of this area, in the Ventura neighborhood, the council is preparing to review a proposal from The Sobrato Organization for 85 townhouses at 200 Portage Ave., next to the former site of Fry's Electronics. The council is also in the middle of reviewing the North Ventura Coordinated Area Plan, a new vision document for a broader 60-acre portion of Ventura, which includes the former Fry's site at 340 Portage Ave. The plan area includes the property at 280 Lambert Ave., where a developer has proposed 49 condominiums in two buildings just south of the Matadero Creek — a proposal that received generally positive reviews from the City Council on Monday.

The council had also approved the expansion of Hotel Parmani, which will be reconstructed as a four-story building just south of The Fish Market site. The city has also recently approved a mixed-use project at 3225 El Camino, which includes eight condominiums.

While the council has been eyeing the Fry's site for residential use for decades, the new proposal for The Fish Market site has not previously been seen as a prime housing site. The city's Housing Element has identified the two El Camino sites on which the development would stand as having a "realistic capacity" of 21 housing units between them. A report from the Department of Planning and Community Environment notes that the development, if approved, would exceed the city's estimate by 109 residences.

If approved, the project would likely spell the end of The Fish Market once the new building replaces the existing one. The application calls for retail and offices replacing the existing restaurant space at 3150 El Camino Real. The restaurant's future had been the subject of speculation since last year, when Acclaim purchased the property. In May, however, the restaurant announced that it has no imminent plans to leave.

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Mark Dinan
Registered user
East Palo Alto
on Aug 17, 2021 at 10:47 am
Mark Dinan, East Palo Alto
Registered user
on Aug 17, 2021 at 10:47 am

This is a solid plan, but this location could support a much taller building. 12-20 stories would be very appropriate for a location like this one: located on a main road, close to public transit, and close to Caltrain.


Christa Johnson
Registered user
Crescent Park
on Aug 17, 2021 at 11:53 am
Christa Johnson, Crescent Park
Registered user
on Aug 17, 2021 at 11:53 am

It should be a mixed-use building.

Eat fish on the first floor and reside on the second level.


Gale Johnson
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Adobe-Meadow
on Aug 17, 2021 at 1:01 pm
Gale Johnson, Adobe-Meadow
Registered user
on Aug 17, 2021 at 1:01 pm

I like Christa's idea. Don't take away Fish Market, just add housing above it to help keep them in business. The tenants will love their food. Speaking only as a real old timer, who remembers when Fish Market opened for business in the same location in the 70's, after one of our favorite pancake house restaurants, I think it was Ken's, closed. Now do you believe me? That I'm really old?


DV Henkel-Wallace
Registered user
Crescent Park
on Aug 17, 2021 at 1:53 pm
DV Henkel-Wallace, Crescent Park
Registered user
on Aug 17, 2021 at 1:53 pm

Presumably fish market could rent space after construction is done. And I agree a larger building would be even better. What about the PA sq complex right behind. Could one or parts of all building be turned into residences? In theory the demand for office space will be diminishing....


Resident 1-Adobe Meadows
Registered user
Adobe-Meadow
on Aug 18, 2021 at 10:37 am
Resident 1-Adobe Meadows, Adobe-Meadow
Registered user
on Aug 18, 2021 at 10:37 am

The whole location from Oregon Exp to Charleston on ECR needs a real look at. That CPI facility on ECR which then goes back into the SRP locations has a vast amount of open space on the property. If you look at ECR from Charleston to San Antonio it has large buildings - many which are on Los Altos city property on the west side and Moontain view city property on the east side. Other cities have put major buildings on ECR - now Menlo Park which is under construction with huge buildings. That is the "huge builgdngs" location which should be used to satisfy the requirement for new housing. And yes - great restaurants on the ground floors - great idea.


Anonymous
Registered user
Duveneck/St. Francis
on Aug 18, 2021 at 8:20 pm
Anonymous, Duveneck/St. Francis
Registered user
on Aug 18, 2021 at 8:20 pm

A large apartment building with decent parking and decent sidewalk in front and some foliage would be most welcome. This is El Camino Real, a major wide transit route. Makes sense. How about nice sized livable units, 700+ sq feet and up.
I DON’T want apartment windows *right on the street* such as one sees with otherwise attractive apartment complexes recently built along ECR (MV and SV typically) - and for a great illustration: 101 Moffett, corner of Moffett (along/across Central Expy from the Caltrain tracks and beginning of Castro St/Castro commercial thoroughfare). The unit windows are RIGHT at the street!! This is a NICE complex but really!
- I realize inward facing units on some of these complexes, often facing pools, courtyards are surely very pleasant, but those outward facing the street have a drab blank public look. Not to mention must be noisy.
Make a decent wide sidewalk with some street trees!! Add to walkability!!


Online Name
Registered user
Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Aug 18, 2021 at 9:00 pm
Online Name, Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
Registered user
on Aug 18, 2021 at 9:00 pm

I was staring at the new building at El Camino and Oregon/Page Mill while stopped at the light idly wondering which floor was the least desirable from a privacy perspective. Tough call.

The building goes right to the streets on all sides. The windows for all the units are practically floor-to-ceiling. It'll be a voyeurs' paradise. And a possible traffic hazard!


Leanne Simonis
Registered user
Greenmeadow
on Aug 18, 2021 at 9:37 pm
Leanne Simonis, Greenmeadow
Registered user
on Aug 18, 2021 at 9:37 pm

Do the residents really need windows? How about 2 underground levels for the residencies with a street level garage and above ground levels reserved for businesses?


Resident 1-Adobe Meadows
Registered user
Adobe-Meadow
on Aug 18, 2021 at 10:12 pm
Resident 1-Adobe Meadows, Adobe-Meadow
Registered user
on Aug 18, 2021 at 10:12 pm

I agree with the comment on the building on Oregon and ECR. That is a major intersection and the people are practically on the street. That is really odd. How about living in one of the street level rooms and having people right outside your window. Can we please not do that again? The "Planning Department" needs to exercise some control over the location of buildings relative to the street. We seem in a period of desperation right now and letting any good decisions go out the door. We are letting desperation drive our deisions making here relative to an organized city.
Some whole faction does not want organization in the city?


I miss my small town feel
Registered user
another community
on Sep 7, 2021 at 8:27 am
I miss my small town feel, another community
Registered user
on Sep 7, 2021 at 8:27 am

The Fish Market should be an Historical Site as I had my first lunch there for an interview with HP on Page Mill in the 1970s! I got the job and moved from UC Berkeley.
The housing shortage is due to too much demand. So as long as cities allow more new commercial space to go in, we will never have enough housing. If you want to put a dent in the housing shortage, convert office space to housing. That would also put housing close to other office space so less need to drive.


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