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Once polarizing, bathrooms to become fixtures in Palo Alto parks

City Council approves restrooms for Ramos and Rinconada parks

Ramos Park would be equipped with a modular bathroom under a proposal that the Palo Alto City Council approved on April 10, 2023. Rendering courtesy city of Palo Alto.

From Ramos to Rinconada, the restroom renaissance is coming to Palo Alto parks.

The two parks, one a sprawling, regional draw off Embarcadero Road and the other a cozy neighborhood fixture near East Meadow Drive, soon will be furnished with bathrooms as part of the City Council's plan to offer visitors a measure of relief. In 2017, the council approved a parks master plan that identified seven parks — Bol, Bowden, Pardee, Johnson, Ramos, Robles and Terman — as promising restroom destinations. The same year, it endorsed a master plan for Rinconada Park, which includes a renovated playground, a reconfigured parking lot, new lighting fixtures and a host of other improvements meant to complement the newly renovated Junior Museum and Zoo.

The two plans converged on Monday, April 10, when the council approved a $596,556 contract with Public Restroom Company to install two-stall bathrooms in the two parks. The Rinconada Park restroom would be on the west side, next to the newly installed playground. The Ramos restroom would be next to a cedar grove off of East Meadow Drive.

The two prefabricated restroom buildings will be constructed over the next 10 months and installed in the respective locations in early 2024, according to a February presentation from Public Works staff. Council members backed the contract by a 6-1 vote, with council member Greg Tanaka dissenting.

Park bathrooms haven't always been a popular amenity in Palo Alto. Neighbors of Johnson Park in 1994 defeated a proposal to build a bathroom in the downtown open space. Two decades later, similar complaints doomed a staff plan to add a permanent bathroom in Eleanor Pardee Park in north Palo Alto.

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In both cases, residents expressed concerns that public restrooms would become magnets for vagrants and unwanted visitors.

Times, however, have changed. With little opposition from its own ranks or from the wider community, the council swiftly approved the contract for the new fixtures on its "consent calendar," which is reserved for noncontroversial items and voted on without discussion.

A recent community meeting showed a clear pro-bathroom majority for Ramos, with 21 people saying they were in favor of a new restroom and seven opposing it. An online survey showed a closer split, with 82 respondents in favor and 80 opposed.

On Monday, however, there was little opposition to either bathroom proposal. Resident Herb Borock, a longtime council watchdog, opposed the contract on procedural grounds, noting that the council's prior approval of a park improvement ordinance to enable the bathroom construction at Rinconada Park never underwent a "second reading" by the council, a largely perfunctory but legally required step.

And Tanaka said he was concerned about the bidding process and suggested that the close split in the only survey for the Ramos Park bathroom should have prompted a more substantive discussion by the council. The city relied on a "piggyback" procurement process in which it basically relied on the terms that the city of Los Angeles agreed to with Public Restroom Company.

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"For something kind of controversial like this, maybe it should have been an action item," Tanaka said.

The council majority, however, didn't find the proposal particularly controversial and swiftly approved it.

The restroom work will not stop at Ramos and Rinconada. Next year, the city plans to install a bathroom at Boulware Park, a Ventura fixture that was recently expanded thanks to the city's purchase of land from AT&T. The improvements also include a dog park, a new playground, a group picnic area, basketball courts and an open turf area. And in 2025, the city plans to renovate existing bathrooms at Mitchell Park and Foothills Natural Preserve, according to staff.

Annette Glanckopf, a longtime leader of the umbrella association Palo Alto Neighborhoods, lauded the addition of restrooms to local parks.

"Every good size park needs a bathroom," Glanckopf wrote to the council. "It is critical especially for seniors and children but necessary for everyone else at any age."

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"People bring up time and time again the argument that the homeless will use the bathrooms. This was true when we wanted them in Hoover and Seale parks. It has not proven to be an issue."

Correction: The earlier version of the story stated that Herb Borock was challenging the Ramos Park bathroom project on procedural ground. He was referring to the Rinconada Park bathroom.

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Once polarizing, bathrooms to become fixtures in Palo Alto parks

City Council approves restrooms for Ramos and Rinconada parks

From Ramos to Rinconada, the restroom renaissance is coming to Palo Alto parks.

The two parks, one a sprawling, regional draw off Embarcadero Road and the other a cozy neighborhood fixture near East Meadow Drive, soon will be furnished with bathrooms as part of the City Council's plan to offer visitors a measure of relief. In 2017, the council approved a parks master plan that identified seven parks — Bol, Bowden, Pardee, Johnson, Ramos, Robles and Terman — as promising restroom destinations. The same year, it endorsed a master plan for Rinconada Park, which includes a renovated playground, a reconfigured parking lot, new lighting fixtures and a host of other improvements meant to complement the newly renovated Junior Museum and Zoo.

The two plans converged on Monday, April 10, when the council approved a $596,556 contract with Public Restroom Company to install two-stall bathrooms in the two parks. The Rinconada Park restroom would be on the west side, next to the newly installed playground. The Ramos restroom would be next to a cedar grove off of East Meadow Drive.

The two prefabricated restroom buildings will be constructed over the next 10 months and installed in the respective locations in early 2024, according to a February presentation from Public Works staff. Council members backed the contract by a 6-1 vote, with council member Greg Tanaka dissenting.

Park bathrooms haven't always been a popular amenity in Palo Alto. Neighbors of Johnson Park in 1994 defeated a proposal to build a bathroom in the downtown open space. Two decades later, similar complaints doomed a staff plan to add a permanent bathroom in Eleanor Pardee Park in north Palo Alto.

In both cases, residents expressed concerns that public restrooms would become magnets for vagrants and unwanted visitors.

Times, however, have changed. With little opposition from its own ranks or from the wider community, the council swiftly approved the contract for the new fixtures on its "consent calendar," which is reserved for noncontroversial items and voted on without discussion.

A recent community meeting showed a clear pro-bathroom majority for Ramos, with 21 people saying they were in favor of a new restroom and seven opposing it. An online survey showed a closer split, with 82 respondents in favor and 80 opposed.

On Monday, however, there was little opposition to either bathroom proposal. Resident Herb Borock, a longtime council watchdog, opposed the contract on procedural grounds, noting that the council's prior approval of a park improvement ordinance to enable the bathroom construction at Rinconada Park never underwent a "second reading" by the council, a largely perfunctory but legally required step.

And Tanaka said he was concerned about the bidding process and suggested that the close split in the only survey for the Ramos Park bathroom should have prompted a more substantive discussion by the council. The city relied on a "piggyback" procurement process in which it basically relied on the terms that the city of Los Angeles agreed to with Public Restroom Company.

"For something kind of controversial like this, maybe it should have been an action item," Tanaka said.

The council majority, however, didn't find the proposal particularly controversial and swiftly approved it.

The restroom work will not stop at Ramos and Rinconada. Next year, the city plans to install a bathroom at Boulware Park, a Ventura fixture that was recently expanded thanks to the city's purchase of land from AT&T. The improvements also include a dog park, a new playground, a group picnic area, basketball courts and an open turf area. And in 2025, the city plans to renovate existing bathrooms at Mitchell Park and Foothills Natural Preserve, according to staff.

Annette Glanckopf, a longtime leader of the umbrella association Palo Alto Neighborhoods, lauded the addition of restrooms to local parks.

"Every good size park needs a bathroom," Glanckopf wrote to the council. "It is critical especially for seniors and children but necessary for everyone else at any age."

"People bring up time and time again the argument that the homeless will use the bathrooms. This was true when we wanted them in Hoover and Seale parks. It has not proven to be an issue."

Correction: The earlier version of the story stated that Herb Borock was challenging the Ramos Park bathroom project on procedural ground. He was referring to the Rinconada Park bathroom.

Comments

Online Name
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Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Apr 11, 2023 at 10:15 am
Online Name, Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
Registered user
on Apr 11, 2023 at 10:15 am

"The Rinconada Park restroom would be on the west side of the park, next to the newly installed playground"

Which, ironically, is near the new Junior Museum and Zoo which used to have free bathrooms that the kids playing at the newly installed playground is -- right next to where the old playground was.

Too bad thew new $$$$$$E costly Junior Museum and Zoo never opened up its bathrooms to the same kids it used to serve so now we're paying for both new toilets and unused Junior Museum and Zoo. They might have attracted some new visitors willing to pay the $$ entrance fees.

Thank heavens Palo Alto can always just raise our utility rates to fund this type of common sense efficiency.


Clayborne
Registered user
Crescent Park
on Apr 11, 2023 at 10:28 am
Clayborne, Crescent Park
Registered user
on Apr 11, 2023 at 10:28 am

Good to learn that public bathrooms will finally be located in Palo Alto parks, but the article understates the anti-"outsider" animus that prevented this from happening at Johnson Park during the 1990s. I used to enjoy pickup basketball games there, and especially enjoyed the opportunity to meet a variety of people from the surrounding area. But the lack of a nearby bathroom and the odd circular court always sent a message that only nearby residents were welcome and only if they were content to shoot baskets rather than play three-on-three games. I hope the recent decision on park bathrooms and the earlier decision to open Foothill to non-residents indicates that Palo Alto residents have become more welcoming to all residents as well as visitors.


AllenPod
Registered user
Community Center
on Apr 11, 2023 at 10:57 am
AllenPod , Community Center
Registered user
on Apr 11, 2023 at 10:57 am

Every time I walk by Pardee Park, I wonder where the people there relieve themselves. Wouldn't a toilet facility be a civilized addition to this attractive park?


Jim Smith
Registered user
Barron Park
on Apr 11, 2023 at 11:13 am
Jim Smith, Barron Park
Registered user
on Apr 11, 2023 at 11:13 am

Do I have this right? In 2017, the council approved a parks master plan that identified seven parks — Bol, Bowden, Pardee, Johnson, Ramos, Robles and Terman — as promising restroom destinations. Today there is a plans to install a bathroom at one of these parks, Ramos. In two years, the city plans to renovate existing bathrooms at Mitchell Park and Foothills Natural Preserve. Is there any plan to install bathrooms at the parks promised restrooms 6 years ago? I realize government can run slow, but at this pace (one bathroom every eight years) bathrooms should be installed at the remaining parks by the end of this century.


SRB
Registered user
Mountain View
on Apr 11, 2023 at 11:26 am
SRB, Mountain View
Registered user
on Apr 11, 2023 at 11:26 am

"People bring up time and time again the argument that the homeless will use the bathrooms." .... as opposed to not having any to use?


Online Name
Registered user
Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Apr 11, 2023 at 11:40 am
Online Name, Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
Registered user
on Apr 11, 2023 at 11:40 am

@Jim Smith raises good points about the other parks needing bathrooms vs Rinconada where the city destroyed the much-loved, much-frequented FREE Junior Museum and Zoo for a vanity project. Our dogs always loved greeting the kids and their caretakers at the old Zoo on our walks to the library; now it's s empty and sterile -- as are the bathrooms there.

Will the city ever acknowledge how badly they destroyed a much-loved treasure by hiring a pricey consultant with no local knowledge about how the old zoo was used? Instead the city approved a sterile costly vanity project to generate $$$$ as a regional tourist attraction near one of the city's busiest intersections.

Nope, they'll keep patting themselves on the back for getting such a deal on the new bathrooms.


Reid
Registered user
Midtown
on Apr 11, 2023 at 2:54 pm
Reid, Midtown
Registered user
on Apr 11, 2023 at 2:54 pm

This is great for young parents. I have no idea what parents of toddlers did in the 90s. I have rushed my 2yo daughter to multiple park bathrooms many times.


Bystander
Registered user
Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 11, 2023 at 5:21 pm
Bystander, Another Palo Alto neighborhood
Registered user
on Apr 11, 2023 at 5:21 pm

Personally, I think we need bathrooms at the Baylands. The two centers are rarely open when I go there and I am not a fan of portapotties!

At many of our parks even those with bathrooms, I see people and children in particular relieving themselves in the bushes. The homeless are likely to do the same if there is no bathroom so at least giving them somewhere to use is better than having human waste in the bushes.

A self locking mechanism that works after dark with a 2 minute warning before it comes on and a button inside for emergency release would prevent some of the possible abuse.


MyFeelz
Registered user
another community
on Apr 11, 2023 at 6:16 pm
MyFeelz, another community
Registered user
on Apr 11, 2023 at 6:16 pm

I have an idea. How about issuing keycards to people who bring their CPAU bills to City Hall?

You know I'm just kidding but check back when THAT becomes an "action item" after a homeless person gets caught using one of the bathrooms.

Of course there are ways to defeat the key card system.

Instead of using 2017 dollars, now we are using 2023 dollars that are worth a dime each on the currency exchange. We are so smart. And so stingy with our love for humankind.

ETA Are these bathrooms going to be wheelchair accessible? I will wait to file my Cal Ave petition and just make the rounds throughout the city and add more locations that bar access to disabled people.


Gale Johnson
Registered user
Adobe-Meadow
on Apr 11, 2023 at 7:17 pm
Gale Johnson, Adobe-Meadow
Registered user
on Apr 11, 2023 at 7:17 pm

I live 8 walking minutes from Ramos Park so it has never been an issue with me...well, maybe for a few exceptions...but that was when I left my house in the dark to take long (3-4 mile walks) many years ago. I heard cocks crowing just before sunrise, on some streets. I'd walk down the middle of the streets except when I knew a newspaper delivery vehicle or diaper delivery truck was coming up behind me. A few times I had to bail out of my walk and head for the big redwood tree down in the corner by the basketball court. I hid myself behind it so nobody entering the park from either entrance would see me. That tree looks beautiful. Did my urine play a part in that?

And, yes, it's a beautiful park shared with many people from other neighborhoods and communities for recreational activities. I welcome the restrooms and all those park visitors. And, equally important is to provide a place for the homeless to relieve themselves in dignity...and relieving park maintenance crews and city owned garage cleanup crews from having to scoop 'poop'!


Alcon
Registered user
Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 11, 2023 at 7:31 pm
Alcon, Another Palo Alto neighborhood
Registered user
on Apr 11, 2023 at 7:31 pm

Have people forgotten that the new Junior Museum and Zoo was built by a $25 Million campaign by the Friends of the JMZ, not the City?? Seems so from the comments of many here.


Old teacher
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Community Center
on Apr 11, 2023 at 7:35 pm
Old teacher, Community Center
Registered user
on Apr 11, 2023 at 7:35 pm

I attend Tai Chi practice once a week at Eleanor Park. There are many elderly people and children who use that park and who need a bathroom! Palo Alto is a rich city and my tax dollars should provide me with an adequate toilet when I need it at a park. I am horrified that neighbors think that a toilet will make the park attractive to the unhoused. There are already many people who are forced to use bushes and trees when nature calls. That is unsanitary and unsafe. Put toilets in Eleanor park!


TimR
Registered user
Downtown North
on Apr 11, 2023 at 8:38 pm
TimR, Downtown North
Registered user
on Apr 11, 2023 at 8:38 pm

So how did Peers Park end up with one? I run by there regularly, and occasionally use it. And in my experience, while I have encountered homeless using it, they haven't been a problem. And unlike the one in the Bryant/Lytton parking garage, there's no vandalism and destruction. I think parks are too far removed from the general homeless population, and I don't see how any of these other parks would be any different from the Peers one.


another parent
Registered user
Old Palo Alto
on Apr 12, 2023 at 11:33 am
another parent, Old Palo Alto
Registered user
on Apr 12, 2023 at 11:33 am

I sincerely wish the city would make the pay to use bathroom on the corner of Waverley and Hamilton free and add even more public facilities. (Handing out free tokens is NOT a solution... those tokens are often sold by the recipients instead of being used for the bathroom.)

The lack of free public bathrooms downtown is terrible for Palo Alto, a destination city for tourists, shoppers, and, yes, homeless. Even Carmel-by-the-Sea has free public bathrooms. The problem of public urination/defecation is very real and not only done by homeless people. I've been repeatedly appalled by well dressed people using private gardens to do their business.


MyFeelz
Registered user
another community
on Apr 12, 2023 at 11:57 am
MyFeelz, another community
Registered user
on Apr 12, 2023 at 11:57 am

@another parent ... in the wee hours driving past the parklet on Cambridge, I saw someone peeing on the shrubbery adjacent to the seating area. The seating for those outdoor eateries was unplanned, and I would guess people peed there long before there were ever tables and chairs. It's something to consider when choosing dining experiences that haven't been inspected by the health department.


Michele Dauber
Registered user
Barron Park
on Apr 12, 2023 at 1:24 pm
Michele Dauber, Barron Park
Registered user
on Apr 12, 2023 at 1:24 pm

Don't forget Bol Park. We have so many young kids who come to see the donkeys and they can't hold it, they are little -- they have to pee in the bushes. Please give us a bathroom.


Anonymous
Registered user
Duveneck/St. Francis
on Apr 12, 2023 at 1:30 pm
Anonymous, Duveneck/St. Francis
Registered user
on Apr 12, 2023 at 1:30 pm

The bathrooms will attract the homeless.


Online Name
Registered user
Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Apr 12, 2023 at 1:35 pm
Online Name, Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
Registered user
on Apr 12, 2023 at 1:35 pm

"Have people forgotten that the new Junior Museum and Zoo was built by a $25 Million campaign by the Friends of the JMZ, not the City?? Seems so from the comments of many here."

Yes, there were donations but the city was still on the hook for millions of dollars for such a poorly planned and managed project. Just think of the recent $1,000,000 dinosaur statutes. Look at all the articles debating how much to raise the admission fees due to the budget shortfalls and missed forecasts. The last number I saw was going from $`5 to $18 a person!

How many of you have been inside the JMZ? What do you think? I know that we and our dog miss seeing the 40 kids and caregivers sitting in front of the old one in the shade. How many people do we ever see in front of the new one? Usually none.

Coming back to Rinconada Park and the newly redone playground, let's remember that there are several --4 -- nearby buildings with bathrooms: the Children's Library, the JMZ, the swimming pool and the standalone bathroom building near the pool and the sunken theater? area.

It makes me wonder if our "planning" people ever get out of their offices and make on-site visits before making these decisions and spending all this money. Thank heavens for CPAU and its freedom to keep raising our rates.


Native to the BAY
Registered user
Old Palo Alto
on Apr 12, 2023 at 11:47 pm
Native to the BAY, Old Palo Alto
Registered user
on Apr 12, 2023 at 11:47 pm

Johnson park . A beautiful, unique, 4 sided neighborhood park. A community garden, a basket ball court, a slide for children protected w a fence. Yet. No at bathrooms! No running water to feed the plants of nature. Is it too near EPA to accommodate ? Does basketball incite crime from the “other side”?? Do garden growers cause trouble? One of the very best parks in Palo Alto is Johnson! Surrounded by residents SFH and Multi FHs. Clip: not much to do in this town for teens older than 13. I was called to pick up my teen at Johnson. Not late. Maybe 9:30 pm on a Sat nite. She was socializing w a few other hS friends. I pulled up. Thinking how will I see her. How will she see me. There, the intimate few were. Sitting conversing sharing their lives at a picnic table under one of the two overheads lights available for safety & security. Yet this sweet public spot has no public bathroom?! Even if locked at dusk. Only 5 years earlier I was there while I enjoyed the freedom my children had as they slid down the wide concrete slide playing, w local neighborhood children. Yet there was no where to take my children to pee! The local children left to do their business at home. We soon left too. Not because we were not having fun frolicking, but because there was no where to go to go. If u get my drift. I have often thought: let’s do a family get to get here at Johnson. Yet without a public john how do elders & youngsters in a single family outing enjoy the true civic amenity when there is no where to empty a bladder? No wonder the garden is wilting, weed filled & dry.


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