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After wild weather season, residents raise alarms about falling trees

City Council prepares to take fresh look at tree-protection ordinance after numerous properties are severely damaged

Leah Russin shows the stump where a Douglas fir once stood. It fell on her house on March 21, 2023. Phot by Gennady Sheyner.

Leah Russin was sitting on her living room sofa, her 3-year-old daughter on her lap, on March 21 when a Douglas fir that towered over her backyard toppled over into her house, puncturing the roof, destroying an eave, crushing the side of her balcony and penetrating a crawl space just a few feet away from her.

The tree that fell on Leah Russin's home on March 21, 2023, damaged her roof and balcony. Courtesy Leah Russin.

She grabbed her daughter and ran out the front door and into the pouring rain.

"All I was thinking about is, 'How far do I need to run?' and 'How much of my house will collapse?'" Russin said.

Her husband, Chris, had been working upstairs and, with the wind howling outside, she had asked him to go outside and take a picture of the tree — just moments before it fell. He was safe.

The tree in her Barron Park backyard is one of many across Palo Alto and around the region that toppled over during recent storms, knocking down power lines, destroying fences and, in one case on Middlefield Road, temporarily trapping residents inside.

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Given the extent of the damage, several members of the City Council are now calling for the city to review and revise the recently implemented tree-protection ordinance, which the council approved last June.

When council members adopted the new rules on tree protection, their chief aim was to protect Palo Alto's canopy rather than protect residents from it. The new law roughly tripled the number of trees that were "protected" from removal by adding four new tree species — big leaf maple, incense cedar, blue oak and California black oak — to a roster that previously included only the coast live oak, the valley oak and the coast redwood.

More importantly, it classified all trees with diameters of greater than 15 inches as protected, well below the standard of 36 inches that was previously considered by the Planning and Transportation Commission. The only exceptions are redwoods, which are subject to a standard of 18 inches, and the protected species, which fall under a 11.5-inch standard.

For Russin, the new rules became a source of frustration last summer, when she reached out to the city to inquire about possibly removing the large Douglas fir, which was not protected under the prior ordinance but received protection under the new one because of its large size. She reached out to the Public Works Department last July to see if she could get a permit for removing the tree. For three weeks, she didn't get a clear answer on whether she could.

Then, on Aug. 1 she received an email response from a Public Works employee providing her with a link to the new tree ordinance. After Russin followed up, Public Works confirmed in an Aug. 4 email, which was reviewed by this news organization, that she could have removed the fir tree without a permit at the time that she had initially sent her inquiry. With the new ordinance in effect, she was no longer allowed to do so.

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Russin said the city's response made her furious. She was disappointed by the city's delay, which prevented her from taking action until the new ordinance was in place. More importantly, she believes the ordinance is too restrictive when it comes to the preservation of trees on private properties.

"It never would have occurred to me that there would be an ordinance restricting what I could do in my backyard," Russin said.

The fallen tree has been removed now, but the damage to her home remains. A branch continues to poke through the crawlspace, and the back of the home, including the balcony area, reveals significant damage from the fir. As of last week, there was still a hole in her bedroom ceiling and a tarp over her bed, which hasn't been slept in since late March.

The city's tree ordinance has provisions that allow dead or hazardous trees to be removed, but Russin believes these don't go far enough. Before the fir fell, she said, she had two separate arborists look at it to see if it was diseased or posed a danger. Both concluded it did not.

The ordinance, she said, is based on an assumption that a tree-hazard risk is quantifiable. Her experience suggests it is not, she said.

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"My tree proves that you can have two certified arborists look at the tree and not be able to tell that it will cause a huge amount of damage, risking property and lives in a very terrifying moment that I will not get back," she said. "We're fine, but seeing a giant fir tipping toward you and your toddler is a terrible feeling."

More troubles with the city

Water in San Francisquito Creek floats out from under the Pope-Chaucer Bridge around 11:30 a.m. on Jan. 9, 2023. This view of the creek is not the same site as the tree that crashed into resident Sanjiv Wadhwani's home. Photo by Magali Gauthier.

Russin isn't the only Palo Alto resident concerned about the city's slow response to requests for tree removal. Sanjiv Wadhwani, who lives in Crescent Park, had his own struggles to get the city to act after a tree that was on public land next to the San Francisquito Creek recently crashed through the fence of his Edgewood Drive home.

For him, the main issue wasn't the tree-protection ordinance but rather the bureaucratic inertia and lack of coordination between jurisdictions. Though he is a Palo Alto resident, the tree was on the Woodland Avenue side of the creek in East Palo Alto. When he called the city of Palo Alto to request that the tree be removed, he was directed to Valley Water, the water district that owns the right-of-way along the creek. Valley Water then informed him that the tree was not their responsibility and directed Wadhwani to the San Francisquito Creek Joint Powers Authority, an agency tasked with boosting flood control, and to the city of East Palo Alto.

The problem for him came with a sense of urgency. While one tree fell, an adjoining one remained standing after the storm and Wadhwani thought it was only a matter of time before it would also fall onto this property.

After days of trying to navigate the labyrinth, Wadhwani finally got an assist from Kevin Lewis, Public Works supervisor in East Palo Alto. Despite uncertainty about whose responsibility it is, Lewis brought an arborist over who quickly removed the standing tree. Wadhani, meanwhile, had his gardener prune the portion of the fallen tree on his property so that he could repair the fence. The remaining portion of the falling tree still lay near the creek as of Tuesday morning, April 11, he said.

"I understand everybody is completely inundated with this issue, but if I'm telling you there is a problem and something is going to happen, why not take care of it first?" he said in an interview.

'It never would have occurred to me that there would be an ordinance restricting what I could do in my backyard.'

-Leah Russin, resident, Palo Alto

City Arborist Peter Gollinger did not respond to numerous emails from this news organization requesting an interview about the tree ordinance, but he responded to an emailed list of questions about the ordinance. He noted that trees that are deemed an "imminent hazard" by a certified arborist can be removed in an emergency without a completed tree removal permit.

"Staff is working on 'frequently asked questions' and other ways to share existing procedures and other resources with the public. Notably, these processes have not changed from previous versions of the ordinance," Gollinger wrote.

He also stated that the city has procedures in place for landowners whose properties are damaged by trees that have fallen from neighboring properties. These include directing the resident to work with the tree owner and providing information about a mediation program that could be used if needed. If the tree belongs to the city, he said, residents are encouraged to file a claim with the city.

When asked about potential changes to the ordinance, he said staff will be "evaluating data and community input to date and will be returning to the Council in the summer with a status update and other information."

Safety versus canopy

A pedestrian walks by two luquidambars and a southern magnolia at the intersection of Cowper Street and Addison Avenue in Palo Alto on Oct. 19, 2021. Photo by Magali Gauthier.

Some council members, however, believe the city should move even faster to re-evaluate the tree ordinance, particularly given the recent influx of citizen concerns about new tree rules. Some, like Fairmeadow resident Naveena Bereny, argued in an email that the new ordinance "favors trees over a homeowner's safety and rights." That, she wrote to the council, is "just plain wrong."

"Trees don't pay taxes; residents do. The recent tree ordinance, passed last year with little feedback from the community, also expanded the definition of protected trees and added more restrictions to maintenance of private trees," Bereny wrote. "It also made this process more expensive. Residents have the right to manage the trees on their properties for the safety of their families and to protect their property."

Council members Julie Lythcott-Haims and Pat Burt both suggested at recent council meetings that they want to see the tree ordinance revisited sooner rather than later. Lythcott-Haims said at the March 26 council meeting that the city is "due for re-evaluation of the new ordinance."

And while the council had agreed last June to revisit the ordinance a year after implementation, Burt recommended doing so even sooner.

"Ordinarily, I wouldn't be so concerned if we slipped a few months on that, but given the situation this year of a triple whammo of trees having been weakened by many years of drought, compounded by historic rains and historic winds, we just have to do what we can to get back to this sooner," Burt said at the council's April 3 meeting.

'We need to look at enabling people to reduce the threat of mature trees on their own properties. We need to enable people to do that while still continuing to invest in our canopy.'

-Pat Burt, member, Palo Alto City Council

In an interview, Burt said he doesn't have in mind the specific types of adjustments the city should make to the ordinance. He does, however, believe it's important to take a "deeper dive" into the topic and to consider how the ordinance can be changed to reduce future risk caused by extreme weather events, he said.

"I think that basically we need to look at enabling people to reduce the threat of mature trees on their own properties," Burt said. "We need to enable people to do that while still continuing to invest in our canopy."

Burt said some of the most passionate advocates for tree preservation seem to believe that trees in an urban environment should be preserved indefinitely, a position that he called fundamentally flawed. The city's canopy, he said, is naturally evolving. It's important to acknowledge that some of the older trees will eventually die and to determine which trees are important enough to warrant preservation for as long as possible, he added.

The forthcoming conversation about tree preservation should also include a discussion of the types of new trees that the city should promote over others, Burt said. Eucalyptus trees, for example, which are prone to toppling over, should be discouraged, while indigenous species that are more resilient in the face of local climate challenges should be encouraged.

The council also needs to look at the proper balance of tree species on public property, Burt said. This examination should include the appropriate types of trees and the best ways to nurture the city's canopy while keeping it safe and sustainable. It should also consider ways to enable people to lower their own risks from falling trees.

Not everyone, however, feels that the city should be moving to revise the ordinance. Karen Holman, a former mayor and council member who served on an ad hoc committee that helped draft the new tree-protection ordinance, said that she had not heard any complaints about the ordinance before the recent spell of extreme weather.

"People are just getting used to it, especially professional tree companies and individuals," Holman said. "It's a new rollout and it's a significant change. I think there's a lot of misunderstanding."

Some of the benefits of the new ordinance have yet to be realized, she said. The city, for example, is expecting to post a guide for safely pruning trees, an activity that Holman noted has always been legal and remains so. This should help both the property owners with trees in their yards and the residents who are concerned about trees getting hacked down at other properties.

It's possible, given the city's recent experiences, that there might be some nuances in the city's ordinance that may need to be "changed around the edges."

But she cautioned against basing revisions on anecdotes from residents submitted during one of the most extreme weather events in years.

"How does one design an ordinance around any topic that plans for the most extreme example, which are the storms we just encountered?" Holman asked. "The alternative is to allow anyone to take down any trees, and then we lose the benefits of trees."

Correction: The story has previously misidentified the California black oak, which is one of the newly protected tree species. It had also stated that the city had previously prohibited removal of trees with diameters of greater than 36 inches. While the Planning and Transportation Commission had considered a proposal with the 36-inch standard, this was not a city requirement.

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After wild weather season, residents raise alarms about falling trees

City Council prepares to take fresh look at tree-protection ordinance after numerous properties are severely damaged

Leah Russin was sitting on her living room sofa, her 3-year-old daughter on her lap, on March 21 when a Douglas fir that towered over her backyard toppled over into her house, puncturing the roof, destroying an eave, crushing the side of her balcony and penetrating a crawl space just a few feet away from her.

She grabbed her daughter and ran out the front door and into the pouring rain.

"All I was thinking about is, 'How far do I need to run?' and 'How much of my house will collapse?'" Russin said.

Her husband, Chris, had been working upstairs and, with the wind howling outside, she had asked him to go outside and take a picture of the tree — just moments before it fell. He was safe.

The tree in her Barron Park backyard is one of many across Palo Alto and around the region that toppled over during recent storms, knocking down power lines, destroying fences and, in one case on Middlefield Road, temporarily trapping residents inside.

Given the extent of the damage, several members of the City Council are now calling for the city to review and revise the recently implemented tree-protection ordinance, which the council approved last June.

When council members adopted the new rules on tree protection, their chief aim was to protect Palo Alto's canopy rather than protect residents from it. The new law roughly tripled the number of trees that were "protected" from removal by adding four new tree species — big leaf maple, incense cedar, blue oak and California black oak — to a roster that previously included only the coast live oak, the valley oak and the coast redwood.

More importantly, it classified all trees with diameters of greater than 15 inches as protected, well below the standard of 36 inches that was previously considered by the Planning and Transportation Commission. The only exceptions are redwoods, which are subject to a standard of 18 inches, and the protected species, which fall under a 11.5-inch standard.

For Russin, the new rules became a source of frustration last summer, when she reached out to the city to inquire about possibly removing the large Douglas fir, which was not protected under the prior ordinance but received protection under the new one because of its large size. She reached out to the Public Works Department last July to see if she could get a permit for removing the tree. For three weeks, she didn't get a clear answer on whether she could.

Then, on Aug. 1 she received an email response from a Public Works employee providing her with a link to the new tree ordinance. After Russin followed up, Public Works confirmed in an Aug. 4 email, which was reviewed by this news organization, that she could have removed the fir tree without a permit at the time that she had initially sent her inquiry. With the new ordinance in effect, she was no longer allowed to do so.

Russin said the city's response made her furious. She was disappointed by the city's delay, which prevented her from taking action until the new ordinance was in place. More importantly, she believes the ordinance is too restrictive when it comes to the preservation of trees on private properties.

"It never would have occurred to me that there would be an ordinance restricting what I could do in my backyard," Russin said.

The fallen tree has been removed now, but the damage to her home remains. A branch continues to poke through the crawlspace, and the back of the home, including the balcony area, reveals significant damage from the fir. As of last week, there was still a hole in her bedroom ceiling and a tarp over her bed, which hasn't been slept in since late March.

The city's tree ordinance has provisions that allow dead or hazardous trees to be removed, but Russin believes these don't go far enough. Before the fir fell, she said, she had two separate arborists look at it to see if it was diseased or posed a danger. Both concluded it did not.

The ordinance, she said, is based on an assumption that a tree-hazard risk is quantifiable. Her experience suggests it is not, she said.

"My tree proves that you can have two certified arborists look at the tree and not be able to tell that it will cause a huge amount of damage, risking property and lives in a very terrifying moment that I will not get back," she said. "We're fine, but seeing a giant fir tipping toward you and your toddler is a terrible feeling."

More troubles with the city

Russin isn't the only Palo Alto resident concerned about the city's slow response to requests for tree removal. Sanjiv Wadhwani, who lives in Crescent Park, had his own struggles to get the city to act after a tree that was on public land next to the San Francisquito Creek recently crashed through the fence of his Edgewood Drive home.

For him, the main issue wasn't the tree-protection ordinance but rather the bureaucratic inertia and lack of coordination between jurisdictions. Though he is a Palo Alto resident, the tree was on the Woodland Avenue side of the creek in East Palo Alto. When he called the city of Palo Alto to request that the tree be removed, he was directed to Valley Water, the water district that owns the right-of-way along the creek. Valley Water then informed him that the tree was not their responsibility and directed Wadhwani to the San Francisquito Creek Joint Powers Authority, an agency tasked with boosting flood control, and to the city of East Palo Alto.

The problem for him came with a sense of urgency. While one tree fell, an adjoining one remained standing after the storm and Wadhwani thought it was only a matter of time before it would also fall onto this property.

After days of trying to navigate the labyrinth, Wadhwani finally got an assist from Kevin Lewis, Public Works supervisor in East Palo Alto. Despite uncertainty about whose responsibility it is, Lewis brought an arborist over who quickly removed the standing tree. Wadhani, meanwhile, had his gardener prune the portion of the fallen tree on his property so that he could repair the fence. The remaining portion of the falling tree still lay near the creek as of Tuesday morning, April 11, he said.

"I understand everybody is completely inundated with this issue, but if I'm telling you there is a problem and something is going to happen, why not take care of it first?" he said in an interview.

City Arborist Peter Gollinger did not respond to numerous emails from this news organization requesting an interview about the tree ordinance, but he responded to an emailed list of questions about the ordinance. He noted that trees that are deemed an "imminent hazard" by a certified arborist can be removed in an emergency without a completed tree removal permit.

"Staff is working on 'frequently asked questions' and other ways to share existing procedures and other resources with the public. Notably, these processes have not changed from previous versions of the ordinance," Gollinger wrote.

He also stated that the city has procedures in place for landowners whose properties are damaged by trees that have fallen from neighboring properties. These include directing the resident to work with the tree owner and providing information about a mediation program that could be used if needed. If the tree belongs to the city, he said, residents are encouraged to file a claim with the city.

When asked about potential changes to the ordinance, he said staff will be "evaluating data and community input to date and will be returning to the Council in the summer with a status update and other information."

Safety versus canopy

Some council members, however, believe the city should move even faster to re-evaluate the tree ordinance, particularly given the recent influx of citizen concerns about new tree rules. Some, like Fairmeadow resident Naveena Bereny, argued in an email that the new ordinance "favors trees over a homeowner's safety and rights." That, she wrote to the council, is "just plain wrong."

"Trees don't pay taxes; residents do. The recent tree ordinance, passed last year with little feedback from the community, also expanded the definition of protected trees and added more restrictions to maintenance of private trees," Bereny wrote. "It also made this process more expensive. Residents have the right to manage the trees on their properties for the safety of their families and to protect their property."

Council members Julie Lythcott-Haims and Pat Burt both suggested at recent council meetings that they want to see the tree ordinance revisited sooner rather than later. Lythcott-Haims said at the March 26 council meeting that the city is "due for re-evaluation of the new ordinance."

And while the council had agreed last June to revisit the ordinance a year after implementation, Burt recommended doing so even sooner.

"Ordinarily, I wouldn't be so concerned if we slipped a few months on that, but given the situation this year of a triple whammo of trees having been weakened by many years of drought, compounded by historic rains and historic winds, we just have to do what we can to get back to this sooner," Burt said at the council's April 3 meeting.

In an interview, Burt said he doesn't have in mind the specific types of adjustments the city should make to the ordinance. He does, however, believe it's important to take a "deeper dive" into the topic and to consider how the ordinance can be changed to reduce future risk caused by extreme weather events, he said.

"I think that basically we need to look at enabling people to reduce the threat of mature trees on their own properties," Burt said. "We need to enable people to do that while still continuing to invest in our canopy."

Burt said some of the most passionate advocates for tree preservation seem to believe that trees in an urban environment should be preserved indefinitely, a position that he called fundamentally flawed. The city's canopy, he said, is naturally evolving. It's important to acknowledge that some of the older trees will eventually die and to determine which trees are important enough to warrant preservation for as long as possible, he added.

The forthcoming conversation about tree preservation should also include a discussion of the types of new trees that the city should promote over others, Burt said. Eucalyptus trees, for example, which are prone to toppling over, should be discouraged, while indigenous species that are more resilient in the face of local climate challenges should be encouraged.

The council also needs to look at the proper balance of tree species on public property, Burt said. This examination should include the appropriate types of trees and the best ways to nurture the city's canopy while keeping it safe and sustainable. It should also consider ways to enable people to lower their own risks from falling trees.

Not everyone, however, feels that the city should be moving to revise the ordinance. Karen Holman, a former mayor and council member who served on an ad hoc committee that helped draft the new tree-protection ordinance, said that she had not heard any complaints about the ordinance before the recent spell of extreme weather.

"People are just getting used to it, especially professional tree companies and individuals," Holman said. "It's a new rollout and it's a significant change. I think there's a lot of misunderstanding."

Some of the benefits of the new ordinance have yet to be realized, she said. The city, for example, is expecting to post a guide for safely pruning trees, an activity that Holman noted has always been legal and remains so. This should help both the property owners with trees in their yards and the residents who are concerned about trees getting hacked down at other properties.

It's possible, given the city's recent experiences, that there might be some nuances in the city's ordinance that may need to be "changed around the edges."

But she cautioned against basing revisions on anecdotes from residents submitted during one of the most extreme weather events in years.

"How does one design an ordinance around any topic that plans for the most extreme example, which are the storms we just encountered?" Holman asked. "The alternative is to allow anyone to take down any trees, and then we lose the benefits of trees."

Correction: The story has previously misidentified the California black oak, which is one of the newly protected tree species. It had also stated that the city had previously prohibited removal of trees with diameters of greater than 36 inches. While the Planning and Transportation Commission had considered a proposal with the 36-inch standard, this was not a city requirement.

Comments

felix
Registered user
Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 14, 2023 at 9:14 am
felix, Another Palo Alto neighborhood
Registered user
on Apr 14, 2023 at 9:14 am

I'm so sorry for those who had trees fall and fall on their homes. Very scary.

For something helpful - below is Canopy's site as to what one can do to prepare trees before storms and in the aftermath. As it and the City says - water your trees (but not Oaks) during droughts to help keep them healthy. Unfortunately way too many of the trees that fell did so due to not being watered by the owner (such as the on the property in back of me).

Web Link

Click the site links for a wealth of specific information. It notes things that you can watch for that are often early warnings of a hazardous tree.

If you are concerned about a tree, note the info to get trees checked by a CONSULTING CERTIFIED ARBORIST, and lists some. Note I said "consulting" arborist - they have special training in assessing tree health. One can also have a tomography test done on tree trunks for inner rot. A tree assessment done by such a consultant with tomography will yield a good analysis on the health of your tree.

It's also good to have some perspective. Any city has rules about what owners can and can't do on their property, from fences, setbacks from lot lines, number of stories a home can be, and tree protection. If a tree is an unhealthy hazard it can be permited for removal. But an owner keeping trees healthy sure would be better off than paying for extremely expensive tree removal that then releases its sequestered carbon back into the atmophere, and adds heat to the property.

We can't control nature that just toppled a host of unhealthy trees weakened by years of drought and brought down in huge winds and rains, but we can take action to have healthy trees that don't fall. Let's all do that.



Duveneck
Registered user
Duveneck/St. Francis
on Apr 14, 2023 at 9:47 am
Duveneck , Duveneck/St. Francis
Registered user
on Apr 14, 2023 at 9:47 am

The city ordinance should only focus on native species and considerable latitude should be given to a homeowner. Why protect a Douglas Fir that wouldn't grow here without irrigation if we're also concerned about water use? It would also make sense to allow a homeowner to remediate if they want to remove a native species -- you can cut it down with a permit, but you need to plant as mature as possible replacement somewhere else on your property before you get final permit sign-off, and maybe you even have to plant another $25K tree in a public space as well. Homeowner gets flexibility, expense of replacing tree deters frivolous tree cutting, and the environment gets a net long term benefit. Most homeowners want trees on their property.


Mondoman
Registered user
Green Acres
on Apr 14, 2023 at 9:48 am
Mondoman, Green Acres
Registered user
on Apr 14, 2023 at 9:48 am

Re: ""How does one design an ordinance around any topic that plans for the most extreme example, which are the storms we just encountered?" Holman asked. "The alternative is to allow anyone to take down any trees, and then we lose the benefits of trees."

Surely there are other alternatives than no change at all to the ordinance and getting rid of the ordinance completely.


Bystander
Registered user
Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 14, 2023 at 9:49 am
Bystander, Another Palo Alto neighborhood
Registered user
on Apr 14, 2023 at 9:49 am

The other part of the equation is that the City does not do enough to protect its own trees that are on residents' property. It is often we the residents who can see that a tree is old, by the number of small branches that come down, the leaves not being as full as in years past and creaking sounds. When reporting these to the City they are seldom taken seriously. Additionally, many trees in the same neighborhood were planted at the same time and are aging at the same rate. If one of those trees is too old and starts to show signs of age, then it is likely that the rest of the similar trees on that treet are in an equal state of life.

Trees that are cropped by the utilities are often just cropped one side and the other side away from the lines are ignored. This means that the weight is not equal and makes toppling more likely too.

It is time that the City paid more attention to this concern. It may be a person on a bike who gets hit by a falling tree, not a strong house or even a strong vehicle.


anon1234
Registered user
College Terrace
on Apr 14, 2023 at 10:08 am
anon1234, College Terrace
Registered user
on Apr 14, 2023 at 10:08 am

I’m also very sorry for people who had damage to property or lost their lives from falling trees in theses last few months of extreme rain and wind preceded by years of drought, but there is not correlation between those problems and the tree ordinance.
The tree ordinance above all else promotes the health of trees and native species while allowing for ANY tree that poses a threat to be removed.
The tree canopy is a city wide asset of immeasurable value to all for its many benefits including cooling and carbon sequestration to name only two.
Please dont misconstrue the city’ government’s responsibility to make regulations for management of trees with unwanted but not entirely preventable tree failures.


Online Name
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Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Apr 14, 2023 at 10:48 am
Online Name, Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
Registered user
on Apr 14, 2023 at 10:48 am

Thanks for highlighting all the delays and problems with getting timely and useful information from the city which I see as getting worse as they become better at burying information. Look at how they've screwed up the City Council agendas while not releasing public comment emails until 2 HOURS before the meeting.

The recent email about the City Budget was another example about how it's impossible to find specific expenditures highlighted in the City Manager's newsletter.

How much are we spending on "communications" again?


Mondoman
Registered user
Green Acres
on Apr 14, 2023 at 1:03 pm
Mondoman, Green Acres
Registered user
on Apr 14, 2023 at 1:03 pm

@anon1234
The issue seems to be that it's not always possible to correctly evaluate whether or not a tree is a threat. If the city decides not to allow a tree to be removed after notice from a homeowner, it's only fair that the city take on the financial responsibility for that decision, and pay for any resulting damages/injuries for a specific time period after that decision (perhaps 5 years?).


cmarg
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Palo Alto High School
on Apr 14, 2023 at 3:26 pm
cmarg, Palo Alto High School
Registered user
on Apr 14, 2023 at 3:26 pm

I feel for the people who had trees fall on their property or home. I wonder how many people have kept up watering their trees. I realize we have had a drought and are no longer in a drought. I am hopeful people water their trees now. It would be really sad if trees were taken down. It is what supports our air and Palo Alto is 'tall tree'.

Regarding the trees next to the sidewalk, perhaps the city can drive a water truck around to water these trees. That seems like a option.


MyFeelz
Registered user
another community
on Apr 14, 2023 at 4:36 pm
MyFeelz, another community
Registered user
on Apr 14, 2023 at 4:36 pm

"The bigger they are, the harder they fall" ... a resident might get an obvious clue, like a root coming up out of the soil, to signal impending doom. But in times of climate emergencies like those storms, there isn't always a timely clue. Thinking of a toddler in the path of unknown calamity is just .... well, it's unthinkable. The City needs to relax their tree standards. We are no longer living in Tall Tree country. We are living in "evacuate if you live near a tall tree in a storm" times. BTW I noticed all the potholes being filled and the road being re-paved up Page Mill Road today. Isn't it nice to see road workers working so hard to make our cars align better?


anon1234
Registered user
College Terrace
on Apr 15, 2023 at 1:28 pm
anon1234, College Terrace
Registered user
on Apr 15, 2023 at 1:28 pm

Mondoman;

If the city is making errors in executing the Tree ordinance then , yes, they should be responsible for costs to correct.
The city should also be responsible for maintaining city trees.
The city would like residents who wish to remove or significantly trim trees to use an accredited arborist.
I don’t know of instances where the city disagreed with a legitimate arborist report regarding the health of tree and need to remove it…..but maybe you have data in this point?
My thought was more that the former and current tree ordinances allow for removal when necessary to protect people from damage to life and limb and property!
I’m not sure there is anything i can think of in the current ordinance that needs to be changed because of the result of recent extreme weather conditions on a small number of trees.


Bystander
Registered user
Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 15, 2023 at 1:38 pm
Bystander, Another Palo Alto neighborhood
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on Apr 15, 2023 at 1:38 pm

By the time we get the next winter storm, say in December, we will probably have forgotten all this.

The time for the city to do the work is now, not wait until December.


Easy8
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Green Acres
on Apr 16, 2023 at 10:08 pm
Easy8, Green Acres
Registered user
on Apr 16, 2023 at 10:08 pm

El Nino is supposed to return within a few months. So next winter could be another wild rainy season


Monroe
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Monroe Park
on Apr 17, 2023 at 11:18 am
Monroe, Monroe Park
Registered user
on Apr 17, 2023 at 11:18 am

How does the City propose that we balance tree life with drought? I have a huge Douglas fir that is dying due to drought. Should I have been pouring hundreds or thousands of gallons of water on it each week for these years of drought?


Monroe
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Monroe Park
on Apr 17, 2023 at 11:26 am
Monroe, Monroe Park
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on Apr 17, 2023 at 11:26 am

New ordinance restriction on removing ANY tree over 15," protected species or no, is extreme.


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