Julie Lythcott-Haims first learned that she might be heading toward a legal showdown with California's campaign finance watchdog last August, when she was gearing up to run for Palo Alto City Council.
A former attorney and Stanford University's dean of freshmen who is widely known as a best-selling author and speaker on the subjects of parenting, race and identity, Lythcott-Haims found out at that time that running for office may create some professional complications, she said in an interview this week. Thanks to the Political Reform Act, a law that California voters approved in 1974, local elected officials are prohibited from taking payments for "any speech given, article published, or attendance at any public or private conference, convention, meeting, social event, meal, or like gathering."
For Lythcott-Haims, who over the past year had derived more than half of her income from speaking engagements and writing workshops, this created a potential hurdle. She said that once she became aware of the prohibition on honoraria, she immediately got on a Zoom call with an attorney to talk about the law and how it may affect her.
She said based on the attorney's advice, she decided that she should run and, should she win and honorarium payments become an issue, challenge the rule, which was adopted in the aftermath of the Watergate scandal.
"I moved forward on the advice of my lawyer, who assured me this law was not meant to encompass someone who does the kind of work that I do," she said. "I have behaved in good faith and ethically at every step here."
The honorarium rule, she argued, raises an important question: Should a law that was enacted to battle bribery and corruption be applied to local candidates whose speaking engagements and workshops have little or nothing to do with their public responsibilities?
"I knew the question had to be answered," Lythcott-Haims said. "I knew the FPPC regulation might apply to someone like me."
For Lythcott-Haims, the question isn't purely academic. As an author, Lythcott-Haims said her sources of income fluctuate heavily from one year to another. When she is working on a book, a large chunk of her income comes from her publisher. During the period between books or after a book is published, she relies more on income from speaking engagements and workshops.
Currently, she does not have a book proposal in place and most of her earnings come from speaking. She said that over the past 12 months, income from speeches and workshops made up about 74% of her earnings.
That, however, would have to change under the guidance that she received earlier this month from the Fair Political Practices Commission. In its April 7 advice letter, the commission concluded that Lythcott-Haims has a legitimate business that has preceded her council service and, as such, she can continue to receive compensation for writing books and articles. However, FPPC also concluded that moving forward, she will "only be able to receive compensation for speeches and other public talks so long as speech making is not the predominant activity of her business," according to the letter from FPPC General Counsel Dave Bainbridge and Assistant General Counsel Brian G. Lau.
Specifically, she "may not receive compensation for a speaking engagement until her business' income for speechmaking drops to 50% or below for the 12 months prior to the speaking engagement, and the hours devoted to speech making is less than 50% of her business hours," the letter concluded.
As an "informal advice letter," the FPPC's April 7 response carries somewhat less legal weight than a "formal advice letter," which also involves the legal division and which gives the requester not only legal guidance but also protection when following that guidance, according to Jay Wierenga, FPPC's communication director.
At the same time, even an "informal" letter carries some legal weight because it is considered "guidance to a public official," according to Wierenga. And now that it has been issued, to contest its conclusions Lythcott-Haims would have to bring her argument to the five-member FPPC commission, which could then provide guidance to the legal division or issue a "formal opinion" on the April 7 letter, according to Wierenga.
While commissioners don't vote on advice letters, Wierenga said in an email that they can and do offer guidance to the legal division at times and if the majority wants to dispute an advice letter, then it can vote to rescind the letter, instruct the legal division to change its way of thinking on the specific topic or vote to issue a formal opinion, which would carry more weight than the advice letter.
That is what Lythcott-Haims is now preparing to do. In the next few months, she hopes that she will have a chance to make her case to the five-person commission, she said.
Limiting her speaking engagements over the next year would require her to take what amounts to a 25% pay cut, which is a challenge for most people who aren't extremely wealthy, Lythcott-Haims said. While her company, Love Over Time LLC, is valued at between $100,000 and $1 million, according to her financial disclosures, and she described herself as privileged and "upper middle class," limiting speaking engagements to under 50% of her income would require significant "belt tightening" with her family and she'd have to have a difficult conversation with her partner about ways to control expenses and the viability of her continuing to serve on the council.
"That would be a difficult but necessary conversation I'd have to have," she said.
She believes the questions she is raising with the FPPC speak to a broader issue of council representation. If applied broadly, the advice could deter other authors and thought leaders from seeking public service, she argued.
Lythcott-Haims noted that she spends between 20 and 30 hours per week on her council work (which comes with a $12,000 annual stipend) and, as such, does not have the time to write a book proposal while serving. The situation, she suggested, begs the question: "Can only the independently wealthy or retired people serve the city, and what does the city lose if that's true?"
"Many elected officials have written books. Many elected officials want to be able to speak about their books, they want to be able to speak about their work. It seems against public policy for me to say, 'Some of our most highly educated and thoughtful people shouldn't be able to hold elected office because somehow there's a conflict.' … It seems against public policy that we'd prohibit a swath of smart, engaged people from serving," she said.
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Old Palo Alto
on Apr 26, 2023 at 10:16 am
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on Apr 26, 2023 at 10:16 am
I'm sympathetic to Julie here, but she also seems to be twisting things a bit.
First, the topic of her speeches isn't really relevant. The issue around bribery is that someone could pay someone to speak as a way of basically funneling money to them and currying favor. It doesn't matter what they speak about.
Second, in her newsletter, she said "I hired a very reputable lawyer who specializes in election and campaign law to advise me on this matter. ... If I tell you what my lawyer specifically advised me, I could violate attorney-client privilege." I am not a lawyer, but this doesn't match with my understanding. Her lawyer can't reveal what they told her, but the client (Julie) can absolutely share this. I'm a bit disturbed that Julie, a lawyer, either doesn't understand attorney-client privilege or that she's misrepresenting things. (I can't imagine she has *that* bad of an understanding of attorney-client privilege, so I'm going to have to go with the latter.)
I genuinely do think the rule prohibiting honorariums should have some geographic restriction, but her tendency to misrepresent things does make me question her integrity.
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Community Center
on Apr 26, 2023 at 10:30 am
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on Apr 26, 2023 at 10:30 am
JLH: 'Some of our most highly educated and thoughtful people shouldn't be able to hold elected office because somehow there's a conflict.'
A conflict of interest is a conflict of interest no matter how smart or educated you are. The rules are designed to protect the voters from the elected official monetizing their public office.
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Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Apr 26, 2023 at 10:47 am
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on Apr 26, 2023 at 10:47 am
Palo Alto's own Elizabeth Holmes. Both believe they're exempt from the rules that apply to everyone else.
In JHL's case she's obviously ignorant of politics and government where elected officials wait until after they're out of office to cash in.
But now the timing of raises the question of why she bothered to run at all when her interests obviously lie elsewhere rather than in public service and understanding complex local issues.
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Southgate
on Apr 26, 2023 at 11:18 am
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on Apr 26, 2023 at 11:18 am
I believe the Political Reform Act should be revised such that someone earning money from podcasts, speeches, etc. that are not political in nature should be exempt. I resent JLH being characterized as another "Elizabeth Holmes." I don't think this is a matter of entitlement or JLH wanting to "cash in" on her council position.
The comment "why she bothered to run at all when her interests obviously lie elsewhere rather than in public service and understanding complex local issues" is ignorant. I believe most council members have other professional interests and activities or else they are independently wealthy; otherwise how can they live on $12K council salary? JLH spends 20-30 hours/week on service to our community. She should be able to pursue her speaking engagements as long as they focus on parenting and educational issues, not issues within Palo Alto and greater Silicon Valley.
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Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Apr 26, 2023 at 11:33 am
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on Apr 26, 2023 at 11:33 am
@KS, JHK stated during her campaign that she was more interested in addressing the big social issues NATIONALLY than in monitoring city staff decisions which she called "nit-picking."
People who looked beyond the sloganeering to her actual positions caught that since many of us are concerned about the way staff makes decisions, dragging out Casti for 6+ years BEFORE they got to the hard questions like who's going to monitor traffic. (To cite just one example.)
I didn't say she was trying to "cash in" om her council position by speaking about parenting although she'll surely use it as a jumping off point when seeking higher office.
If she wants to travel nationally talking about those issues, the more power to her but that doesn't make her -- a first-time council member and first-time elected official --s seen like someone eager to come up to speed and dig right into her job and the issues here.
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Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 26, 2023 at 12:02 pm
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on Apr 26, 2023 at 12:02 pm
Palo Alto City Council is basically a volunteer position with huge responsibilities.
This is a tough one, because authors often do make their living from speaking fees (rather than books themselves). This does means outside parties could hire her, ostensibly for unrelated topics, just to curry favor. An extreme example is going on right now with a Supreme Court Justice getting exorbitant gifts from a “friend”. But that’s hypothetical in this case—the slippery slope argument can be taken too far; reasonable safeguards in this case should suffice.
We’ve had a long tradition of people on the dais with far worse potential conflicts, especially with developers. Haimes should be allowed to make a living with speaker engagements that preceded her time in office and which are not political. Putting new restrictions that unreasonably reduce her income from before or take her off the market as a speaker could have huge negative impacts on her future livelihood.
It seems to me that as long as engagements remain unrelated and not suddenly vastly larger, it would be unreasonable to ask her not to, when real estate lawyers like Scharf were not asked to quit their jobs to serve, when one could argue that such a profession has inherent conflicts no occasional recusal could resolve.
I hope this discussion highlights the problem of having a volunteer council for a city this size in such an expensive place.
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Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 26, 2023 at 12:33 pm
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on Apr 26, 2023 at 12:33 pm
I was not very comfortable with her during the election race. Since she has been elected, I have had many concerns about her statements. To me, this is a situation of not being well enough prepared beforehand and not willing to go by the rules now.
The rules are in place to protect us, the residents, from being used as pawns in a chess game with political implications. We deserve our council to be well prepared for their position and their seat on the council to be above reproach. This is not the case. She want to change the rules or get special exemption. That does not bode well with me. What will her next scandal be, I wonder. I see that she is going to be problematic in many ways. Not happy.
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Crescent Park
on Apr 26, 2023 at 1:02 pm
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on Apr 26, 2023 at 1:02 pm
The point here is that Julie Lythcott-Haims knew BEFORE she ran for City Council that she could come afoul of the Political Reforms Act. She should have investigated the matter and made sure that the Act was clarified/modified BEFORE she ran for City Council. As a lawyer she should know better. I do not know her personally, but had hoped that having a person of her background, education and stature would add a much needed perspective to the Council. Now I feel somewhat betrayed. Tackling an Act which she, and many others in the community, feel is unnecessary in it's scope should not be occupying Ms. Lythcott-Haims' time while serving on the Council no matter how worthwhile her belief that it should not apply to her and others in similar positions.
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Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 26, 2023 at 3:38 pm
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on Apr 26, 2023 at 3:38 pm
@CAM,
While I'm a little disappointed that she didn't seem to understand that everyone thinks they are the exception, which is why these laws are necessary, you are holding her to an unrealistic standard. If she had tried to change things before in office, guaranteed the roadblocks would have been insurmountable. Things change when there is a need to change them, and she is doing the work now that there is a clear need.
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another community
on Apr 26, 2023 at 5:12 pm
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on Apr 26, 2023 at 5:12 pm
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Old Palo Alto
on Apr 28, 2023 at 2:19 am
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on Apr 28, 2023 at 2:19 am
@Silverlinings Thank you for your astute perspective. I wonder Kniss, Filstheth, DuBois and others like currant mayor Kuo $!even the co-Mayor have held paying positions & stock option dividends which may b in conflict as a voting member on the PA CC. These CC members, near past & current, who make bank on their global/local investments. The very economies that may be in conflict w CC agonized items on council docket ? JLH’s is an outlier, a new b to the game.she’s not ignorant nor immune to “politics”. Not only is her presence & voice on the current council, her voting power is entirely needed for the health and longevity of a Palo Alto strong town.why the ethics bullying now? Realtors have stolen bank from Palo Altman’s. What I am getting — (correct my wrong numbers here) JLH was given the green light 2 run
After the filing paperwork? V ten
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Southgate
on Apr 29, 2023 at 12:01 pm
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on Apr 29, 2023 at 12:01 pm
We'd be better off to pay our council members so they can focus on the business of the city. People need to make a living, folks.
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another community
on Apr 29, 2023 at 8:16 pm
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on Apr 29, 2023 at 8:16 pm
@A Person, if they were paid, they would have to be accountable for their mistakes. By "volunteering", they can say "you get what you pay for" as an excuse.
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another community
on Apr 29, 2023 at 8:47 pm
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on Apr 29, 2023 at 8:47 pm
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I predict she will get bounced.
You don't reverse a law by trying change the law after getting elected to a position KNOWING that you are running afoul of the law.
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FIRST, you change the law.
THEN, you try to get elected.
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another community
on Apr 29, 2023 at 9:11 pm
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on Apr 29, 2023 at 9:11 pm
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Community Center
on Apr 30, 2023 at 3:10 pm
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on Apr 30, 2023 at 3:10 pm
However the FPPC rules on the letter of the law in this case, I have seen nothing to indicate that Lythcott-Haims has an ethical conflict as a result of her income from speeches or workshops. The subjects of her talks are based on her renown as an author and are independent of her Council responsibilities. Plus, this was her private career before being elected.
Since serving with her this year, I've seen her immerse herself fully in city and community issues. She is a quick study, strong critical thinker, and more open to new information and diverse opinions than might have been expected from her campaign. While we don't agree on all issues, I know that she is motivated by a deep commitment to our community.
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another community
on Apr 30, 2023 at 8:38 pm
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on Apr 30, 2023 at 8:38 pm
@C.A.M., she DID investigate before running for CC.
But she did not ask the relevant question of the FPPC until AFTER she was elected. So, she went into the campaign knowing that if she won she would be breaking the "rules".
The only exception to the honorarium "rule" is this:
"There is an exception to the honorarium ban for those engaged in the bona fide profession of teaching. In relevant part, Regulation 18932.2 provides an exception where:
(a)The individual is under contract or employed to teach at a school, college, or university accredited approved or authorized as an educational institution by an agency of the State of California; or by an agency of any other state in the United States; or by an agency of the Federal government; or by a bona fide independent accrediting organization.
(b)The individual receives payment for teaching a course, presented to assist in maintenance or improvementof professional skills or knowledge where the course provides credit toward continuing education requirementsof the pertinent profession."
She does not meet the criteria for either exception, and she knew it before she ran for office.
These are not stale Watergate laws. As per FPPC website:
"The Act is updated annually to reflect statutory changes enacted by the Legislature or by voters through the initiative process. A highlighted version of the Act and its appendices has been provided to easily show what changes have been made over the last year."
FPPC's answer stated how she COULD earn income doing public speaking if she follows their formula. She wants to eradicate the rules entirely.
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College Terrace
on Apr 30, 2023 at 9:32 pm
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on Apr 30, 2023 at 9:32 pm
Thank you for posting a link to the FPPC response to the “Request for Informal Assistance.”
It will be an interesting hearing and since it will be before the five-member commission, I assume it will be live-streamed. Can anyone confirm?
FPPC commission meetings are each month and agendas are released on their web site 10 days prior.
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Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on May 1, 2023 at 9:52 am
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on May 1, 2023 at 9:52 am
"However the FPPC rules on the letter of the law in this case, I have seen nothing to indicate that Lythcott-Haims has an ethical conflict as a result of her income from speeches or workshops. The subjects of her talks are based on her renown as an author and are independent of her Council responsibilities. Plus, this was her private career before being elected.
Since serving with her this year, I've seen her immerse herself fully in city and community issues. She is a quick study, strong critical thinker, and more open to new information and diverse opinions than might have been expected from her campaign."
Really?? She lobs unsubstantiated accusations and claims and then never apologizes when caught. The following immediately come to mindL:
1) Doria Summa supports Jim Crow and is by imp0lication a racist.,
2) PASZ is the "loudest voice in the room" while ignoring the well-funded HUGE lobbying groups like PAF, Chamber of Commerce, all the YIMBY groups etc many of which funded her campaign
3) Her neighbors were all racist rather than people concerned that her house was out if character for the neighborhood
4) Her lack of awareness that PA taxpayers pay for an airport here
5) The city should be censoring social media comments rather than improving its own communications where our "priorities" are based on a mere 384 people who manage to complete its flawed survey.
And,, most important to me,
6) that City Staff doesn't need oversight so she can flit around the country focusing on big issues -- like those she writes about professionally.
Given that, she should have stuck with her professional focus at a tine when we desperately need oversight.
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University South
on May 1, 2023 at 12:42 pm
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on May 1, 2023 at 12:42 pm
Thanks Pat for your comment.
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Barron Park
on May 1, 2023 at 9:52 pm
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on May 1, 2023 at 9:52 pm
@Online Name
"Really??"
Yes, really. Pat Burt would not have taken the step of testifying to the character and work ethic of fellow councilmember Julie Lithcott-Haims if he didn't believe what he was saying. Let's wait to find out whether the FPPC agrees with her argument that the rule was not intended to disqualify aspirants to office whose income profile matches hers instead of leaping to attack her motives as some have done.
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Community Center
on May 2, 2023 at 10:01 am
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on May 2, 2023 at 10:01 am
Pat Burt thinks we should listen to him and accept what he says? Yet he completely misses (or chooses to miss) the point of this much needed anti-corruption law (can we get it for US Supreme Court Justices?). The law makes no exception for making money from speaking based on location or subject matter. Or if JLH is doing her job on council or not, as Burt asserts.
A big-stakes, big-bucks developer or business person can channel money to any elected official by donating money to an entity toward a workshop, artist in residence, seminar, speech or whatever anywhere (all types of things JLH does).
JLH needs to start taking responsibility. She isn't the only income earner for her family, after all. She can speak all she wants as long as only 50% of her income is from speaking. She can tighten her belt a bit if needed, as many in Palo Alto are doing right now, and be happy to be seen as some sort of expert about something. Or if that is too much, then she can choose to resign from council and make more money.
It is dismaying to see now two council members now want to circumvent the very laws that protect citizens from corruption.
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Old Palo Alto
on May 3, 2023 at 1:49 am
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on May 3, 2023 at 1:49 am
While I understand and appreciate Julie's expertise and success as an author and speaker, it's important to acknowledge that the rules governing political office were put in place for a reason. The Political Reform Act was designed to prevent corruption and conflicts of interest that can arise when elected officials are paid for their public appearances.
The advice from the Fair Political Practices Commission (FPPC) clearly states that Lythcott-Haims can continue to receive compensation for writing books and articles, but she must limit her income from speaking engagements to less than 50% of her business income. This is a reasonable compromise that allows her to maintain her professional pursuits while serving the public.
The issue at hand is not whether talented and knowledgeable individuals should be prevented from holding public office. Rather, it is about ensuring that our elected officials can fully commit to their public responsibilities without financial conflicts of interest. The rules are in place to protect the integrity of the political process and to ensure that all elected officials are held to the same standard.
As someone who loves this city, I believe it is crucial to uphold the principles of transparency and accountability in our local government. This means adhering to the rules and regulations that have been established for the greater good. While it may be challenging for Lythcott-Haims to adjust her professional endeavors, it is a necessary sacrifice for those who choose to serve their community in a political capacity.
By following the FPPC's guidance, we can ensure that our city is represented by dedicated individuals who are committed to putting the public interest first.
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College Terrace
on May 3, 2023 at 2:57 pm
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on May 3, 2023 at 2:57 pm
I doubt I am alone in thinking that the focus of each CC member should be Palo Alto issues, of which there are plenty. I don't see how a "legal showdown" about something that could have been settled before seeking office squares with that. Hopefully the timeframe for this showdown will be far more efficient than the drawn-out, 4 year investigation that ultimately concluded that former Mayor Kniss violated campaign finance laws. Better that this be decided and the issue brought to a close quickly.
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Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on May 4, 2023 at 12:46 pm
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on May 4, 2023 at 12:46 pm
A public process is underway. I think I will wait to hear its outcome before making pronouncements or casting aspersions. Council Member Lythcott-Haims is new in office, and seems to be doing her best to learn quickly. Like most Council Members, she juggles a job and her new second job as Council Member.
It's time to close this thread. Good heavens. How would YOU like to be on the receiving end of these diatribes?
We get the public officials we deserve. If we treat electeds with disrespect, fewer and fewer people will run, and that means we voters will get fewer good choices. Let's please treat our electeds as we would like to be treated if we were in their position. I, for one, am grateful for their service to our community, and I will patiently wait for the outcome of this public process. Council Members make many very difficult decisions on our behalf. Let's please maintain decorum and civility in our interactions with them and public discussions about them (like this one).
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Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on May 4, 2023 at 1:11 pm
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on May 4, 2023 at 1:11 pm
She has been accused of a specific violation that should have been checked out before running. The rest is immaterial.
If someone is accused of a crime -- murder for example -- it doesn't matter if he/she likes children and small dogs.
Annette above is right and hardly engaging in diatribes.
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Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on May 4, 2023 at 1:31 pm
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on May 4, 2023 at 1:31 pm
Maintaining one's existing business is now a "crime"? I think I'll wait for the outcomes of the public process. The commission will be considering and testing new ground here. that's what commissions do.
Most members of our City Council maintain demanding jobs. Their elected positions do not provide a salary one can live on. Over the years, some have been CEOs, lawyers, real estate agents, researchers, engineers... These are all demanding jobs that require focusing on issues separate from Palo Alto. They can walk and chew gum at the same time. I understand the reason for the regulation, but I also think that this is something new that may require some accomodation. Council Member Lythcott-Haims is appropriately and legally testing the water--something she couldn't really do before she was elected. I'm ok with that. I understand others disagree. That happens in a democracy. I'm good with that too.
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another community
on May 4, 2023 at 2:26 pm
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on May 4, 2023 at 2:26 pm
This is nothing new, it's a set of laws that have been in place for 50 years and is updated every year to keep pace with our society's needs.
Nobody gets to test the waters of law by committing the offense, and then trying to change it while benefiting from the way they THINK it should be vs. what it IS.
Here's a hypothetical situation: Person without a disability and without a placard parks in a disabled spot anyway. Gets a ticket. Goes to court, to argue that he thinks the law shouldn't apply to him. Because the law is outdated or no longer makes sense TO HIM. He feels he should be allowed access because it's on the street in front of his house and all of the other parking spots are taken. Should a judge excuse him for breaking the law?
(and yes, when you break a law, it's a crime)
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Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on May 5, 2023 at 2:48 pm
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on May 5, 2023 at 2:48 pm
Thank you CA Fair Political Practices Commission for keeping our elected City Council members accountable to voters and the law.
This is a perfect example why I did not vote for Julie, nor would I ever vote for someone who demonstrates such character: I’m unique, I’m special, I’m above the rules, the rule must be changed for me me me. Palo Alto city leaders should be honorable, trustworthy, and transparent . Palo Alto should not be represented by anyone demonstrating self-centered, disengenous behavior and manipulative tactics. Julie admittedly knew the law, a rule that has been in place for 50 years, when she ran for office. Yet she ran for office and accepted her position anyway. Now, after the fact, she takes a “the law is inconvenient for me so it must be changed” approach. Any public official who thwarts longstanding rules meant to protect public interest, demonstrates disdain for local issues, and flaunts aspirations to milk their local elected office as a stepping stone to bigger ‘more important’ national things, should not to be trusted in general, much less on a City Council. Julie’s actions in running for City Council, and accepting that position knowing she had a conflict of interest, was at a minimum unethical. The law is the law, intended for the greater good, and she poo-pooed it.
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Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on May 6, 2023 at 6:36 am
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on May 6, 2023 at 6:36 am
Forever Name, I agree completely with all in your post.
I miss the like button.
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Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on May 6, 2023 at 9:51 am
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on May 6, 2023 at 9:51 am
@Forever Name
I’m not defending her personally, because I have myself had pretty negative experience. I even see some of your critique as on the mark in the arguments she’s made.
Nevertheless, our personal feelings are not what should decide whether someone who makes a living from speaking should be able to continue. We have never had someone on the dais whose main living has been as an author, in which case very often income comes from speaker fees. It’s arbitrary to set the limit as half of income in that case.
It would be more fair to let her earn based on previous earnings and in the field she’s been working in, with some rules against getting paid from sources with conflicts of interest.
I mean, what are the rules for lawyers working for big developers? I don’t even think our City required public disclosure of finders fees paid by developers, or any serious consequences to certain someone who unethically reported contributions against campaign finance law to avoid having to show that most were from developers.
This situation really is a special case. The rules were made for people who used their position to get speaker fees, which can amount to bribes—and did not take into account people who speak for a living, specifically writers who often make the actual income from post-book speaking engagements. Surely there can be a more nuanced or refined set of criteria to allow her to make the same living as before, without conflicts of interest.
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another community
on May 6, 2023 at 1:44 pm
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on May 6, 2023 at 1:44 pm
"The rules were made for people who used their position to get speaker fees, which can amount to bribes—and did not take into account people who speak for a living" -- you don't think she would use her position of City Council Member of Palo Alto to uplift her speaking career? If there are "special rules" to be carved out for people who "speak" for a living, maybe she should only be able to advertise as "JLH - Speaker". But something tells me that the name of Palo Alto would be added to her advertising poster as soon as she got the OK from FPPC. Can you see where the City might want to use her to promote it on her speaking tour? Maybe they can shine each other's bowling balls and give them both a 300 game? Mutually beneficial corruption is still corruption. Almost forgot -- what about anything she says about Palo Alto in her speeches? This town is what she wants to use to raise her national profile.
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Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on May 10, 2023 at 1:41 am
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on May 10, 2023 at 1:41 am
“ you don't think she would use her position of City Council Member of Palo Alto to uplift her speaking career”
I don’t think there is any evidence that she has. In the future, her service on Council will be part of her resume as it will be anyone else who has past service on their resume. She was a Dean at Stanford and wrote best selling books, she isn’t getting speaking engagements because of getting on Council. Our Council is basically a volunteer job and her speaking is not related. They can make rules to ensure there aren’t conflicts but arbitrarily limiting her to half her income fails to take into account the realities of authors. She deserves to make a living that preceded her time on Council. This is an expensive area—it’s wrong to use rules intended for other situations to pose a barrier to her serving. It is possible to refine the rules which is what she’s doing.
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Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on May 10, 2023 at 3:23 am
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on May 10, 2023 at 3:23 am
I don't like her. I think her ideas about allowing children to fail are completely misguided. She has an undergraduate degree from Stanford. It's a 4% admission rate, they aren't allowed to fail! I didn't vote for her because of her crazy ideas.
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another community
on May 10, 2023 at 9:02 am
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on May 10, 2023 at 9:02 am
@Silver Linings, there's a time and place to refine the rules (in this case, laws), and it's done legally through our State Legislature. I don't think it's fair to apply for a job KNOWING you will be running afoul of the law,and then once you get the job, to try to change the law so you can decriminalize what you did. Semantics aside, that's what she did and everyone can wish she did it correctly but she didn't.
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Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on May 14, 2023 at 12:47 am
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on May 14, 2023 at 12:47 am
@My Feelz
You aren’t being realistic. Do you have any idea how hard it is to change a law going through the legislature? It’s not necessary either, clearly there is a panel that interpreted that she’s allowed to make fees for speaking, just not what would be reasonable for authors.
The argument that she should have changed the rule first is also unrealistic. If your kid applied to college and has a once in a lifetime bump in family income two years before going, they can, under the rules, have that adjusted for financial aid calculation, but not before admissions (in order to get realistic offers to decide where to go) and even after accepting not until months after the child matriculates. It’s not very fair to students, but they do not get to challenge their aid assessment until after they choose a school and go. This is much the same. If she tried to challenge the rule before becoming a council member, I’m pretty sure no one would take it seriously.
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Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on May 14, 2023 at 9:56 am
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on May 14, 2023 at 9:56 am
@Silver Linings, how far do you think your argument would go as a defense for people violating the age requirements for, say, drinking and/or driving?
But gee, Judge, I know I'm only 13 but I strongly believe the law is wrong! It's SO unfair for me to wait years until the law got changed. If ever. And I've got a party I want to go to this Saturday night.
Apply this to any law on the books.
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another community
on May 14, 2023 at 5:31 pm
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on May 14, 2023 at 5:31 pm
@SilverLinings, you are saying she should be allowed to write her own laws specific to her desires. If everyone had carte blanche to do that, we wouldn't NEED any laws.
Pedophiles and murderers could say, "I didn't know about the laws, so they don't apply to me" or like @OnlineName says, a juvenile can blame the laws instead of themselves when they want to go bar-hopping and they get busted. Laws serve a purpose. If flagrant vote-buying or elected officials abusing their position to benefit their wallet never occurred, we wouldn't need any laws against them. The laws aren't arbitrary. The laws in this case are decades old, and serve a purpose -- to protect the public.
School entrance requirements are controlled by rules. She didn't break a rule, she broke a law. And she, above all else, should know that. I know you and many people think she should get a pass. To be fair, laws must be applied equally. If she gets a pass, many people will retroactively demand just compensation for being disallowed from running, due to the laws they abided by.
There are no "adjustments" to FPPC laws. That's why the State has an office that answers questions BEFORE a candidate runs, to clarify how their public speaking income might be impacted by serving in office. The law doesn't say, "Call a lawyer you know personally and get their opinion, and then run, and if you win the election THEN ask for the law you broke to be eliminated." It's just not how it works.
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Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on May 15, 2023 at 11:55 am
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on May 15, 2023 at 11:55 am
The FPPC hearing will be streamed Thursday morning at 9AM. Here's the link to the FPPC
Web Link
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College Terrace
on May 15, 2023 at 4:51 pm
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on May 15, 2023 at 4:51 pm
@Silver Linings: laws are not person-specific. The FPPC cannot make an exception for Ms. Lythocott-Haims and not expect it to apply to others. She was advised by the FPPC's legal team and decided to run anyway, apparently rolling the dice on whether circumstances like hers should be exempt from the standards of the law about speaking fees. Both the FPPC and Ms. Lythcott-Haims knew her circumstances when the question was first asked and answered, which was not all that long ago. Why is time being spent on a do-over?
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another community
on May 15, 2023 at 6:09 pm
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on May 15, 2023 at 6:09 pm
To break it down piece by piece
Before running, she did this:
"She said that once she became aware of the prohibition on honoraria, she immediately got on a Zoom call with an attorney to talk about the law and how it may affect her."
Then:
"She said based on the attorney's advice, she decided that she should run and, should she win and honorarium payments become an issue, challenge the rule"
Then, she thought to herself (before running):
"The honorarium rule, she argued, raises an important question: Should a law that was enacted to battle bribery and corruption be applied to local candidates whose speaking engagements and workshops have little or nothing to do with their public responsibilities?"
It's not an academic question. There's a law that has been broken.
Then:
"I knew the question had to be answered," Lythcott-Haims said. "I knew the FPPC regulation might apply to someone like me." Not someone "like" her. She means HERSELF. No one else.
Then, she had an actual lawyer named to represent her to send an advice letter to the FPPC. The FPPC said:
"While commissioners don't vote on advice letters, Wierenga said in an email that they can and do offer guidance to the legal division at times and if the majority wants to dispute an advice letter, then it can vote to rescind the letter, instruct the legal division to change its way of thinking on the specific topic or vote to issue a formal opinion, which would carry more weight than the advice letter."
I predict she is headed toward that coveted (??) formal opinion that will be her undoing.
This is not a legal challenge to help all Californians. She is merely fighting the law in order to skirt her responsibility to the City and the State.
While "she hopes that she will have a chance to make her case to the five-person commission, she said", she should have consulted FPPC before running. Especially since she KNEW if she won she would have to hold her misdeed up in the light of day.
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Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on May 15, 2023 at 6:29 pm
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on May 15, 2023 at 6:29 pm
@MyFeelz, but, but "breaking it down piece by piece" us evidently verboten and irrelevant...
“Haters gonna hate, and I’m gonna keep going,” Lythcott-Haims said in a May 5 email to supporters." Web Link
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another community
on May 15, 2023 at 6:57 pm
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on May 15, 2023 at 6:57 pm
@Online Name, I'm not on her email guest list.
This is not an issue of love vs hate or any feelings at all. This is about equally enforcing State laws that are designed to protect voters. To break down part of your attached link:
***“Now, if I tell you what my lawyer specifically advised me, I could violate attorney-client privilege,” she said in an email to her supporters on April 23.*** She already violated it many times in many publications. She can do it as often as she wants. The only consequence is her lawyer might quit her.
Then:
"City Attorney Molly Stump suggested in January that Lythcott-Haims seek specific advice from the FPPC, according to Lythcott-Haims."
I imagine they were crossing paths in the City Hallways when JLH waved at Stump and Stump said, "Oh by the way, seek specific advice from the FPPC" and walked on.
When a person is told to seek legal counsel, it's because the person has asked a question of a person who practices law, in an informal setting, and a practicing lawyer has a duty to tell the person to seek legal counsel. And by that, it means sign an agreement with a lawyer before asking legal questions. A good lawyer knows they can get disbarred if they give legal advice to someone who is not a client. Molly Stump probably doesn't even acknowledge someone who asks her what time it is. Just about anything can be construed as legal advice, when the utterance comes out of a lawyer's mouth. So I can only assume JLH asked Stump what to do about the FPPC laws, and sought her advice on the issue and her response was "seek legal counseling".
Council members don't get free legal services from the City Attorney.
I'm astounded that JLH was ever an attorney or taught law or was a Dean for the law school. These commments of hers sound like she has never cracked a California Civil Code book. Heck, I have a set of those and I'm not even a lawyer! Maybe I should set up a "ask me anything, I am not a lawyer but for dog's sake I know a civil code violation when I see it" page on reddit.
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College Terrace
on May 15, 2023 at 8:08 pm
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on May 15, 2023 at 8:08 pm
@MyFeelz, you wrote: "It's not an academic question. There's a law that has been broken."
Is that accurate? Has she already earned more than she is allowed to earn from speaking fees? Don't get me wrong, I think she should abide by the law, but also think that it should not be insinuated that she has broken the law if she has not. She already knows the answer to the question she posed to the FPPC; she wants a different answer. JLH is a well connected, Harvard Law-educated attorney. And her campaign was supported by well informed locals, including a former mayor who has her own fair share of FPPC experience. She is pushing the point to make a case and to get an outcome that works for her. So, she's got a stubborn streak. Her efforts are, coincidentally, keeping her in the headlines. Though my exposure to her is only as old as her campaign for CC, I think she kinda likes that.
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Old Palo Alto
on May 15, 2023 at 11:22 pm
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on May 15, 2023 at 11:22 pm
As much as I don’t like JLH and find her integrity questionable (for example, her claim that she isn’t allowed to reveal what her own lawyer told her due to attorney/client privilege?), there really isn’t an issue here. That’s not to say that the law should be changed, but she hasn’t done anything wrong in challenging the decision.
First, she hasn’t broken the law yet. If she continued to do paid speaking engagements, then there would be an issue. But she is allowed to charge a speaker’s fee as long as the total is less than 50%. So, no legal violation.
Second, there is no issue with her getting in office first and then challenging it. That’s sort of how you have to do things. As long as she is willing to serve regardless of the outcome, then there is no issue with getting elected first. In fact this might even be critical in order to have standing to challenge a decision.
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another community
on May 16, 2023 at 1:04 am
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on May 16, 2023 at 1:04 am
@Annette the FPPC regulates campaign ethics. Their advice letters are designed to inform potential candidates of trouble areas that might capsize their boat, among many other things they do. At minimum, JLH has violated ethics law under the FPPC laws by failing to disclose an activity that could get her bounced from the CC. Since this article was published here and elsewhere, there are conflicting statements by her and others that make someone scratch their head and wonder, "did she, or didn't she?" If she didn't, this is not the hill someone should choose to die on if they are trying to develop a career in politics. I'm going to do a bit of research tomorrow to try to cobble all of her comments together here and elsewhere. Some of these articles are like puzzle pieces that are missing pieces, but you don't realize it until you have no puzzle pieces left in the box and still have holes in the puzzle. It would be very odd if she brought this up AFTER election, if she hadn't already violated it. At the very least, if you're running for any office in CA you should do a financial inventory to see if you can afford to hold the office in the first place. I think one of the questions that will be asked on Thursday will be "exactly how much money have you made speaking since elected, and how many paid speaking gigs do you have on your calendar from 2023 to 2024?" I hope I can listen to the meeting.
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another community
on May 16, 2023 at 2:47 pm
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on May 16, 2023 at 2:47 pm
At risk of having this post deleted due to "one megabyte per customer at a time" rule, there is an update about the hearing that was supposed to occur regarding the advice letter to Winuk re: Lythcott-Haims. The meeting has been cancelled. There is no explanation. Here is the link to the website: Web Link Just FYI, there is a place where the public can interact with the meeting (if it ever happens), but no future meeting has been set yet. I don't think this is in JLH's favor. As to the question @Annette asked, the answer pertains to PC 115. My prior posts regarding this matter have been deleted. It's not irrelevant, in fact it is VERY relevant to the issue. Someone can cut and paste this comment, or I will try to post it again after it gets deleted.
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Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on May 16, 2023 at 2:56 pm
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on May 16, 2023 at 2:56 pm
Actually the FPPC meeting is this Thursday morning and JLH's case is Item #4
Web Link
If you don't plant to make a real-time comment which can only be done on the FPPC site, you can just watch it on YouTube.
Here is how to watch her live FPPC hearing, agendized by the FPPC for this Thurs, May 18 at 10AM. I suggest tuning in by 9:30 to monitor start time, should the meeting agenda go faster than now anticipated.
Web Link
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another community
on May 16, 2023 at 3:06 pm
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on May 16, 2023 at 3:06 pm
@Online Name,
The meeting has been cancelled. See HERE: Web Link
I called the FPPC and was told that it's cancelled, without any explanation. I don't think this is in JLH's favor. As to the question @Annette asked, the answer pertains to PC 115. My prior posts regarding this matter have been deleted. It's not irrelevant, in fact it is VERY relevant to the issue.
REPEAT -- MEETING CANCELLED BY FPPC TODAY
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Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on May 16, 2023 at 3:55 pm
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on May 16, 2023 at 3:55 pm
Interesting. Thanks. I wonder when/ir it will be rescheduled.
@MyFeelz, I scrolled back through this topic and your posts seems to still be there. Just fyi. I'm using Firefox in case that matters.
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another community
on May 16, 2023 at 4:16 pm
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on May 16, 2023 at 4:16 pm
@Online Name, there are 4 posts of mine under this thread where partial comments or total comments were removed, where I have mentioned another underlying issue that could be a game changer. Maybe somebody doesn't want that issue mentioned.
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College Terrace
on May 16, 2023 at 7:00 pm
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on May 16, 2023 at 7:00 pm
Thanks for the update and link, MyFeelz
Letters within the agenda show support for Councilmember Lythcott-Hames from California Political Attorneys Association, a former chair of the FPPC, and the League of California Cities’ FPPC chair.
Still unusual, I would think, that the entire meeting is cancelled.
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another community
on May 16, 2023 at 8:37 pm
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on May 16, 2023 at 8:37 pm
@Fred Balin, the 5-person Commission members are not the deciders-in-chief. They have a few options such as implementing a written warning, or dismissing the matter. A lot of cheering from the peanut gallery won't influence their decision. They will probably have some specific questions they need answered factually in order to take it to the next level, whatever level that may be. Just randomly reading some of the advice letters, the Commission seems very adept at sizing up the question to give the best informed answer. They also seem very fair about offering all of their resources to a candidate who's running or in this case, one who ran before asking about the FPPC's implementation of the Legislature's work for over 5 decades. Aside from this publication, comments elsewhere are mostly negative about taking office and THEN asking the FPPC for guidance. We won't know now until at least June. FPPC meetings are supposed to be on the 3rd Thursday of the month.
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Barron Park
on May 16, 2023 at 9:12 pm
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on May 16, 2023 at 9:12 pm
@MyFeelz
Thank you for the web link. It takes us to the five letters the FPPC will consider when they do meet: the original advice letter and 4 comments. It's nice to have access to the "primary documents" before the FPPC makes its ruling.
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Adobe-Meadow
on May 17, 2023 at 9:17 am
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on May 17, 2023 at 9:17 am
[T]his is between the lady in question and the state organization that puts the whole voting cycle in process with the booklets. That would be the Secretary of State and the local groups that execute policy at the local level. Creating an uproar which divides the PACC in it's everyday execution of running the city definitly gets conflicted and side-tracked by this controversy. [Portion removed.]
Let the state agency do their job - this is in part their credability as an agency responsible for the voting process which is a big topic now.
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another community
on May 17, 2023 at 4:49 pm
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on May 17, 2023 at 4:49 pm
I tried to call them again today to get clarification as to when the Winuk letter will be discussed, but nobody answered and they had their voice mail system disabled. This probably has NOTHING to do with the Winuk letter. FPPC has other higher priorities and here are what they are for the rest of the legislative session:
1. General Update·As of the date of this report, 15 Political Reform Act-related bills are active, including 4 Commission-initiated bills.·
Staff is continuing to reach out to and work with authors, other members, interested parties, and stakeholders, and to seek bipartisan support on Commission legislation.
2. Upcoming Legislative Deadlines·
May 5 – Last day for policy committees to hear and report non-fiscal bills introduced in their house.·
May 19 – Last day for fiscal committees to hear and report to the Floor bills introduced in their house.·
June 2 – Last day for each house to pass bills introduced in that house.·
June 15 – Budget must be passed by midnight.·
July 14 – Last day for policy committees to meet and report bills.·
July 15 - Aug. 14 – Summer recess. ·
Sept. 1 – Last day for fiscal committees to meet and report bills to the Floor. ·
Sept. 8 – Last day to amend on the floor.·Sept. 14 – Last day for each house to pass bills.·
Oct. 14 – Last day for the Governor to sign or veto bills.
Personally I can't see any way or reason they would entertain rushing an emergency bill through the legislature so that JLH can keep earning above the threshold for speaking as defined by the limits within long-standing law. That doesn't mean more advice letters can't be written and responded to. Keep an eye on that. There is no time to craft a bill to create an exception to the rules that have applied to all candidates for the past 50 years or so. Justice cranks pitifully slow.
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Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on May 17, 2023 at 6:59 pm
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on May 17, 2023 at 6:59 pm
The other paper reported today that the JHL has been rescheduled for June 15th
Web Link
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another community
on May 17, 2023 at 7:26 pm
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on May 17, 2023 at 7:26 pm
“Once I receive the final word from the FPPC on this issue, I will decide whether I am able to continue to serve,” she said in an email to the Post.
At least we know which side of the bread she likes her butter on.
If only she said "I will decide whether I am able to continue to speaking". We might feel better as taxpayers, being forced to pay for a special election to replace the little engine that couldn't do both.
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College Terrace
on May 18, 2023 at 12:31 pm
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on May 18, 2023 at 12:31 pm
The FPPC did not have a quorum and will hold the hearing in June. I believe JLH is used to getting her way. I did not vote for her as she accused a fellow candidate running for city council, Doria Summa, for espousing Jim Crow. JLH has lived in town for several years but did not know we have an airport at the Baylands. She appears to be in the pocket of developers. There is a condescending preachy tone telling the community that “haters are gonna hate.” Why is she saying this? Right out of the supreme bully tactic of the former president who always cries victim. How is JLH a victim? She broke the law. She acknowledges such. Now the FPPC will
decide if she is SPECIAL. Once an exception to the law is made floodgates will open. Are we going to see another Kniss fiasco where she was cozy with this agency? JLH’s lawyer used to work there and knows his way around agency.
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another community
on May 18, 2023 at 1:25 pm
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on May 18, 2023 at 1:25 pm
@ALB, what's a Baylands?
Just kidding.
Regardless of the fact that this month's meeting has been cancelled, next month's meeting agenda is not yet posted and there are no guarantees they would be able to fit her item into the agenda. The worst (best?) thing that could come out of this is she will have to abide by the law until she gets the law overturned. FPPC does not change the laws, they just uphold them. She would have to level up to get to a place to change them, and her term could be over long before the might happen The FPPC did give the final word in their answer to the advice letter:
"Accordingly, so long as she is an official, the Act will prohibit the Council Member from accepting any further payments for a particular speaking engagement until payments for nonspeaking engagements in the prior 12 months exceed the payments received for speaking engagements, and the hours devoted to speech making is less than 50 percent of her business hours."
I predict she will bounce. She has made her priorities clear.