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Bike lanes along El Camino? Caltrans proposal catches city off balance

Palo Alto bike advocates seek more information as Caltrans advances plan to replace parking spaces with bike lanes

A bicyclist crosses El Camino Real at Cambridge Avenue on July 11, 2023. Photo by Gennady Sheyner.

Palo Alto famously loves to bike, as its expanding network of bike boulevards, school routes and new projects like the bike bridge over U.S. Highway 101 demonstrate.

Even so, the idea of installing bicycle lanes along El Camino Real has proven to be a hard sell for the local community despite years of analysis and pockets of support from regional planners and transportation officials.

During the pandemic, a joint effort by Palo Alto, Mountain View, Redwood City and Menlo Park released a Peninsula Bikeway study, which explored different options for creating a "bicycle superhighway" that would span the four Peninsula communities.

After considering various route options, including Middlefield Road and Alma Street, the study concluded that El Camino "represents the most viable opportunity to implement such a vision and help improve safety and connectivity for all bicycle users."

The idea continues to enjoy some support in Mountain View and Redwood City, both of which approved streetscape plans that include El Camino bike lanes. In Palo Alto, however, city officials have been lukewarm about steering more bicyclists toward El Camino, choosing to focus their improvements on lower-stress commute corridors like Bryant Street and Park Boulevard.

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Some have argued over the years that El Camino, with its eight lanes of traffic, is an inherently dangerous place for bicyclists, even with improvements.

Others have complained about the impact of removing all parking spaces along El Camino to make way for the new bike lanes.

Caltrans plans catch city off balance

A sharrow indicates that a lane is to be shared by motor vehicles and bicycles. Courtesy city of Palo Alto.

The idea is once again gaining momentum. This time, however, it is being spearheaded not by mayors, bike advocates and transportation planners but by the state Department of Transportation (Caltrans), which this fall will begin to repave the local portion of El Camino Real. Along with that project, Caltrans is looking at replacing parking spaces all along the Kings Highway with bike lanes.

And because El Camino is under state's jurisdiction, not any individual city's, local opposition may not be enough to stop the proposal from advancing.

Earlier this year, Caltrans provided to the city of Palo Alto its tentative engineering plans for the new bike lanes, a proposal that appeared to have taken both the city and its bike advocates by surprise.

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When the Palo Alto Pedestrian and Bicycle Advisory Committee (PABAC) reviewed the plans at its May meeting, numerous members demanded more context for the decision, according to meeting minutes.

Some questioned the goals of the Caltrans project while others focused on specific details such as the design of "sharrows" (markings that indicate a path is to be shared by cars and bikes) and the impact that the new bike lanes would have on the vehicle dwellers who make El Camino their home.

"What Caltrans did was so surprising that nobody knew quite how to react to it," Robert Neff, a member of the committee, told this publication in an interview.

Neff, who generally supports the idea of El Camino bike lanes, sees the new Caltrans proposal as an extension of the state's "complete street" philosophy, which aims to provide better bike and pedestrian access. While there are specific places where the plan can be further refined, it would significantly benefit Palo Alto's bicyclists, Neff said.

"The main thing is that it means some can safely go a few blocks down El Camino Real from any place to any other place and not think, ‘I better ride on the sidewalk,'" Neff said.

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Other committee members have been less enthusiastic about the new proposal and the way it's been unveiled. Alan Wachtel argued that Caltrans should have discussed its plans with the city and with the committee much earlier — before producing the engineering plans, according to a comment sheet that the committee put together.

"For that reason, Caltrans should not form any commitment to these plans, or some variation, simply because they have already been developed," Wachtel wrote.

Committee member Art Liberman suggested bike lanes would only make sense on El Camino if the speed limit is reduced to 30 mph, if the number of traffic lanes is reduced to two in each direction and if all curb cuts are removed. He also argued that bike lanes should all be at least 5 feet wide and be protected with Jersey barriers (concrete or plastic walls) along the length of the corridor, except where there are pedestrian crossings and cross streets.

"Otherwise, I would never bike along ECR as buffered bike lanes would not be safe," Liberman wrote.

How the city's reacted to Caltrans' plan

A biker rides down Bryant Street, which is one of Palo Alto's designated bike boulevards, on July 7, 2021. Photo by Magali Gauthier.

The Caltrans plan for El Camino bike lanes is rolling out just as Palo Alto is preparing for its own improvements to the local bike network. On June 19, the City Council approved a consulting contract to work on a new bike master plan, which would update the 2012 roadmap that's guided the suite of bike projects the city has completed over the past decade.

Sylvia Star-Lack, the city's transportation planning manager, said in an email to this publication that consideration of bike facilities on El Camino Real was always planned to be included in the plan update.

She noted, however, that it is ultimately Caltrans that has control over what happens on El Camino.

"As El Camino Real is a state highway operated by Caltrans, Caltrans can redesign the roadway to meet the state's safety or other goals," Star-Lack wrote. "The city does not have jurisdiction over the state highway."

Since receiving Caltrans' plans, city officials have repeatedly sought further clarification from the state agency as well as a formal proposal and information about a public process that the agency plans to use to obtain community feedback.

In February, Star-Lack emailed the agency to request the safety study that Caltrans used to justify the bike lanes and wondered what Caltrans would do if the council did not approve an ordinance to remove parking on El Camino.

Chief Transportation Official Philip Kamhi said he has followed up with Caltrans since then but the city has yet to receive that information. He noted that at this point, the bike lane plan is not yet a formal proposal.

"They didn't say, ‘This is what we're doing.' It's more of them saying that it's an idea that they think makes sense based on whatever data that they have," Kamhi said.

He acknowledged that the idea when proposed in the past hasn't gained traction in Palo Alto.

"When we talked about bike lanes on El Camino Real previously, that's been a polarizing topic because we already have an existing network connecting that direction through Palo Alto," Kamhi said. "Some people feel that infrastructure on El Camino Real is not the right answer and some feel it is the right answer, but that's been our plan — to get that through the Bike and Pedestrian Plan and get feedback on that."

Caltrans, for its part, sees El Camino bike lanes as one of its priority projects in the Peninsula. The agency's 2022 planning document for District 4, which includes the Peninsula, cites the prior effort by the four Peninsula cities to identify a long-distance separated bikeway that connects the cities and its conclusion that El Camino would be the preferred corridor.

"El Camino Real represents the most cohesive, connected and appropriate opportunity for implementing this vision," the Caltrans plan states.

The agency did not respond to questions about its outreach strategy and local input on the project.

Rush hour at the intersection of El Camino Real and Page Mill Road in Palo Alto on March 19, 2020. Photo by Magali Gauthier.

If the Caltrans plan advances, it would effectively supersede local planning efforts for bike improvements along and around El Camino. The bike master plan update is expected to take between 18 months and two years to complete, by which time El Camino bike lanes may already be established. Kamhi said the city remains somewhat unsure of its role in influencing the project and is waiting for clarification from Caltrans, which he noted has the power to advance the project even without the city's consent.

"Technically they can, but it becomes more a political question of whether they want to," Kamhi said.

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Bike lanes along El Camino? Caltrans proposal catches city off balance

Palo Alto bike advocates seek more information as Caltrans advances plan to replace parking spaces with bike lanes

Palo Alto famously loves to bike, as its expanding network of bike boulevards, school routes and new projects like the bike bridge over U.S. Highway 101 demonstrate.

Even so, the idea of installing bicycle lanes along El Camino Real has proven to be a hard sell for the local community despite years of analysis and pockets of support from regional planners and transportation officials.

During the pandemic, a joint effort by Palo Alto, Mountain View, Redwood City and Menlo Park released a Peninsula Bikeway study, which explored different options for creating a "bicycle superhighway" that would span the four Peninsula communities.

After considering various route options, including Middlefield Road and Alma Street, the study concluded that El Camino "represents the most viable opportunity to implement such a vision and help improve safety and connectivity for all bicycle users."

The idea continues to enjoy some support in Mountain View and Redwood City, both of which approved streetscape plans that include El Camino bike lanes. In Palo Alto, however, city officials have been lukewarm about steering more bicyclists toward El Camino, choosing to focus their improvements on lower-stress commute corridors like Bryant Street and Park Boulevard.

Some have argued over the years that El Camino, with its eight lanes of traffic, is an inherently dangerous place for bicyclists, even with improvements.

Others have complained about the impact of removing all parking spaces along El Camino to make way for the new bike lanes.

Caltrans plans catch city off balance

The idea is once again gaining momentum. This time, however, it is being spearheaded not by mayors, bike advocates and transportation planners but by the state Department of Transportation (Caltrans), which this fall will begin to repave the local portion of El Camino Real. Along with that project, Caltrans is looking at replacing parking spaces all along the Kings Highway with bike lanes.

And because El Camino is under state's jurisdiction, not any individual city's, local opposition may not be enough to stop the proposal from advancing.

Earlier this year, Caltrans provided to the city of Palo Alto its tentative engineering plans for the new bike lanes, a proposal that appeared to have taken both the city and its bike advocates by surprise.

When the Palo Alto Pedestrian and Bicycle Advisory Committee (PABAC) reviewed the plans at its May meeting, numerous members demanded more context for the decision, according to meeting minutes.

Some questioned the goals of the Caltrans project while others focused on specific details such as the design of "sharrows" (markings that indicate a path is to be shared by cars and bikes) and the impact that the new bike lanes would have on the vehicle dwellers who make El Camino their home.

"What Caltrans did was so surprising that nobody knew quite how to react to it," Robert Neff, a member of the committee, told this publication in an interview.

Neff, who generally supports the idea of El Camino bike lanes, sees the new Caltrans proposal as an extension of the state's "complete street" philosophy, which aims to provide better bike and pedestrian access. While there are specific places where the plan can be further refined, it would significantly benefit Palo Alto's bicyclists, Neff said.

"The main thing is that it means some can safely go a few blocks down El Camino Real from any place to any other place and not think, ‘I better ride on the sidewalk,'" Neff said.

Other committee members have been less enthusiastic about the new proposal and the way it's been unveiled. Alan Wachtel argued that Caltrans should have discussed its plans with the city and with the committee much earlier — before producing the engineering plans, according to a comment sheet that the committee put together.

"For that reason, Caltrans should not form any commitment to these plans, or some variation, simply because they have already been developed," Wachtel wrote.

Committee member Art Liberman suggested bike lanes would only make sense on El Camino if the speed limit is reduced to 30 mph, if the number of traffic lanes is reduced to two in each direction and if all curb cuts are removed. He also argued that bike lanes should all be at least 5 feet wide and be protected with Jersey barriers (concrete or plastic walls) along the length of the corridor, except where there are pedestrian crossings and cross streets.

"Otherwise, I would never bike along ECR as buffered bike lanes would not be safe," Liberman wrote.

How the city's reacted to Caltrans' plan

The Caltrans plan for El Camino bike lanes is rolling out just as Palo Alto is preparing for its own improvements to the local bike network. On June 19, the City Council approved a consulting contract to work on a new bike master plan, which would update the 2012 roadmap that's guided the suite of bike projects the city has completed over the past decade.

Sylvia Star-Lack, the city's transportation planning manager, said in an email to this publication that consideration of bike facilities on El Camino Real was always planned to be included in the plan update.

She noted, however, that it is ultimately Caltrans that has control over what happens on El Camino.

"As El Camino Real is a state highway operated by Caltrans, Caltrans can redesign the roadway to meet the state's safety or other goals," Star-Lack wrote. "The city does not have jurisdiction over the state highway."

Since receiving Caltrans' plans, city officials have repeatedly sought further clarification from the state agency as well as a formal proposal and information about a public process that the agency plans to use to obtain community feedback.

In February, Star-Lack emailed the agency to request the safety study that Caltrans used to justify the bike lanes and wondered what Caltrans would do if the council did not approve an ordinance to remove parking on El Camino.

Chief Transportation Official Philip Kamhi said he has followed up with Caltrans since then but the city has yet to receive that information. He noted that at this point, the bike lane plan is not yet a formal proposal.

"They didn't say, ‘This is what we're doing.' It's more of them saying that it's an idea that they think makes sense based on whatever data that they have," Kamhi said.

He acknowledged that the idea when proposed in the past hasn't gained traction in Palo Alto.

"When we talked about bike lanes on El Camino Real previously, that's been a polarizing topic because we already have an existing network connecting that direction through Palo Alto," Kamhi said. "Some people feel that infrastructure on El Camino Real is not the right answer and some feel it is the right answer, but that's been our plan — to get that through the Bike and Pedestrian Plan and get feedback on that."

Caltrans, for its part, sees El Camino bike lanes as one of its priority projects in the Peninsula. The agency's 2022 planning document for District 4, which includes the Peninsula, cites the prior effort by the four Peninsula cities to identify a long-distance separated bikeway that connects the cities and its conclusion that El Camino would be the preferred corridor.

"El Camino Real represents the most cohesive, connected and appropriate opportunity for implementing this vision," the Caltrans plan states.

The agency did not respond to questions about its outreach strategy and local input on the project.

If the Caltrans plan advances, it would effectively supersede local planning efforts for bike improvements along and around El Camino. The bike master plan update is expected to take between 18 months and two years to complete, by which time El Camino bike lanes may already be established. Kamhi said the city remains somewhat unsure of its role in influencing the project and is waiting for clarification from Caltrans, which he noted has the power to advance the project even without the city's consent.

"Technically they can, but it becomes more a political question of whether they want to," Kamhi said.

Comments

Bart Anderson
Registered user
Mayfield
on Jul 13, 2023 at 12:50 am
Bart Anderson, Mayfield
Registered user
on Jul 13, 2023 at 12:50 am

I've been using my bike in Palo Alto to commute, do errands and visit friends for about 45 years.
About the details of putting bike lanes on El Camino I don't know. However something like this is needed if we're serious about bikes being viable transportation on the Peninsula.
Currently if you have a destination in a neighboring city, getting there by bike is an "adventure." You zigzag through sidestreets, cross bridges, brave bad traffic. Be sure to bring a map in case you get lost!
It would be wonderful to have a safe, direct way down El Camino.
Silicon Valley has been a cultural and technological leader. Maybe we could lead the way to a sane transportation system.


Mondoman
Registered user
Green Acres
on Jul 13, 2023 at 4:25 am
Mondoman, Green Acres
Registered user
on Jul 13, 2023 at 4:25 am

This makes even less sense than putting bike lanes on 101 - at least 101 doesn't have driveways every 25 feet. Regarding "sharrows", maybe Caltrans has repealed some laws of physics, or maybe they are literally throwing bicyclists under the bus?


Bystander
Registered user
Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2023 at 7:03 am
Bystander, Another Palo Alto neighborhood
Registered user
on Jul 13, 2023 at 7:03 am

It is getting harder to concentrate on driving when we have to look at all the paint and signs on roads. When on familiar streets it is not too bad, but recently driving in an unfamiliar area of the Peninsula I was struck by all the signage and paint shouting for my attention. This was almost blinding as it caused me to take my focus off driving safely but instead I had to pay attention to arrows on road as to which side I needed to be on to go straight (sometimes left side of road and sometimes right side of road), and various other signs.

The idea that more signs and more paint makes the street safer for anybody is wrong. It is becoming urban blight, confusing, and I question how much sense it makes.

As for some streets, I think bikes should be single file only. Biking is not the same as walking with a friend. Bike riders attempting to use the time to have a conversation with someone they are riding with makes it dangerous for everyone. If they are vehicles then acting like responsible vehicles with signals and stopping or slowing if their lane is blocked by something before overtaking is just safer and good manners. If they can't act like a vehicle, then other vehicles can't predict what they are going to do.

I am all for people riding bikes. I just wish they could do their part to share the road with motors.


Online Name
Registered user
Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Jul 13, 2023 at 8:07 am
Online Name, Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
Registered user
on Jul 13, 2023 at 8:07 am

Just say no to this nonsense and tell CalTrans to do something useful -- like repaving El Camino!

How many more businesses will get destroyed because "you can't get there from here" -- ie from the road right in front of them.


sandystoecker@gmail.com
Registered user
Menlo Park
on Jul 13, 2023 at 10:09 am
sandystoecker@gmail.com, Menlo Park
Registered user
on Jul 13, 2023 at 10:09 am

This is why California continues to fail in so many ways, no coordination between entities, just the strongest one wins. Making decisions inside a box without input from those who know and use its facilities is a big failure in business and in government. Many times I shake my head at what’s going on in Palo Alto and Menlo Park but this time, I agree they are in the right.


Mark Dinan
Registered user
East Palo Alto
on Jul 13, 2023 at 10:37 am
Mark Dinan, East Palo Alto
Registered user
on Jul 13, 2023 at 10:37 am

Bike Lanes on El Camino are a fantastic idea. Roads should be for active transportation, not car storage. Protected bike lanes with bollards are infinitely better than a little green paint on the road, and I hope that is part of the plan.

If there were protected bike lanes on El Camino safe for e-bikes, commuting down from San Mateo to Palo Alto and beyond becomes very feasible.

Palo Alto should look to Paris as an example of how to increase mobility using bicycles, scooters, and public transportation.


Chris S
Registered user
Barron Park
on Jul 13, 2023 at 10:38 am
Chris S, Barron Park
Registered user
on Jul 13, 2023 at 10:38 am

Taking away the parking on El Camino is going to distress the small businesses even more. Soon all the small businesses will be forced out of Palo Alto. If the city allows the mega structures that contractors are planning with only half the parking recommended, Where are all these cars going to go. Park blvd. is a much safer place for bicyclists than El Camino. Or why not put the bike lane along the Caltrain tracks like they did in North Palo Alto?


Rose
Registered user
Mayfield
on Jul 13, 2023 at 11:13 am
Rose, Mayfield
Registered user
on Jul 13, 2023 at 11:13 am

I’ve been riding my bike all over Palo Alto and nearby for 40 years. YES, let’s put bike lanes on El Camino! If they can do it safely in Amsterdam and Paris (and so many huge cities) then why not here? And, ask Caltrans to put in electronic monitors for red lights, such as they have at 19th Ave and Sloat Blvd. in San Francisco. I got a ticket there (including a photo of me in my car) many years ago as I tried to scoot through a red light. Cost me a lot! I’m now super careful when lights turn yellow. We’ll adjust appropriately, we’re not stupid.


Andrea Collins
Registered user
College Terrace
on Jul 13, 2023 at 11:19 am
Andrea Collins, College Terrace
Registered user
on Jul 13, 2023 at 11:19 am

Only a fool would argue right of way with a driver of an automobile. In the event of a collision or accident, guess who wins regardless of fault?

Bike lanes on ECR will also reduce parking options for cars.

Bad idea.


ArtL
Registered user
Barron Park
on Jul 13, 2023 at 11:33 am
ArtL, Barron Park
Registered user
on Jul 13, 2023 at 11:33 am

My suggestion that the sidewalks (on one or both sides) be converted to a separated, shared Bike and Pedestrian path is not novel nor should it be considered unrealistic. This is the only way that I would ever consider riding a bicycle along this highway. Look at the examples on page 46 and 47 in the Department of Transportation Bikeway Selection Guide - Web Link for a 5 to 6 lane highway with 25,000 Average Daily Traffic and 45 mph speeds. A separated shared path is exactly what is proposed that would create a low stress bicycle route along this roadway, with no interference with buses. Actually, the traffic in 2017 on El Camino in Palo Alto was closer to 40,000 - 2017 Traffic Volumes : Route 82-86 | Caltrans. and there are bus stops and trucks and driveways...it's pretty crazy. Caltrans has 'lowered' the speed limit from 40 mph to 35 mph, but I haven't seen a speed study and I observe many cars passing me, so they are likely going 45mph or more.

As background, I was stunned when Caltrans (by way of the Office of Transportation) dropped the engineering plans for bikeways on El Camino onto PABAC for comment. We were shown detailed plans for bike lanes (mostly painted lines...not even protected painted bike lanes) without an analysis of needs, or an evaluation of alternatives. And then we were asked to make comments on the detailed plans, even though we had not been solicited for our opinions about the project beforehand. This is an example of the dysfunctional relationship between Caltrans and the City of Palo Alto Transportation staff.


Evergreen Park Observer
Registered user
Evergreen Park
on Jul 13, 2023 at 11:35 am
Evergreen Park Observer, Evergreen Park
Registered user
on Jul 13, 2023 at 11:35 am

And where will customers for the small businesses located along El Camino Real park? Hasn’t anyone noticed the horrendous traffic on El Camino Real now. Reducing the traffic lanes makes no sense. What will happen if the traffic landed are reduced? Cars will use Waze to wind through the neighborhoods. So, we put bikes on El Camino and cars in residential neighborhoods. Wishing there were no cars doesn’t make it so. Even though I worry about the safety of lots of bikes in residential neighborhoods — I live on a bike-heavy travel route and it is scary at times to try to see them all, predict what they may or may not do, get their attention as they text and email while on their commutes, etc. As a pedestrian in myth heighborhood, I have almost been run over by bikers who don’t think any stop sign pertains to them, who don’t pay attention to where they are going, etc. And yet, having bikes in the neighborhood is less polluting and noisy than having frustrated car drivers whiz through the area where children are playing and crossing streets. Can’t we, for once, look at the entire traffic picture and figure out an integrated approach?


M
Registered user
Old Palo Alto
on Jul 13, 2023 at 12:16 pm
M, Old Palo Alto
Registered user
on Jul 13, 2023 at 12:16 pm


Is Palo Alto really that friendly to bikes? It was one of the first cities in California to opt out of certain provisions of the recently passed OmniBike Bill 1909, and it removed a long existing bike corridor (that crosses El Camino) through California Avenue, with no replacement.

The problem in my view is that the city views bikes and especially e-biles, not as a an alternative to a car or a second car, but more as a way to get to school or possibly shopping, or for recreation. The city has a bike network, but it is dated not designed for those who travel further and use bikes as a primary means of transportation.

Short of Junipero Sierra, there are no good ways to travel north to south if one chooses to use a bike for long commutes. Bryant doesn't work because its not end-to-end, it windes all over the place in South Palo Alto, and you are always having to stop quickly as cars don't see or ignore that the stops are tw-way and not all-way. El Camino is a logical alternative, although just painting dividers is not not enough.

Palo Alto should not be complaining that it was blindsided by CalTrans. The City paid enough attention to the recent Omnibike bill to opt out where it could; they should have assumed that Caltrans would be implementing features in the bill that would provide more and safe long-distance bike commuting corridors.

Finally, Palo Alto professes to be committed to fighting Climate Change. Cooperating with other cities and CalTrans to make bikes more feasible as a primary means of transportation should be a priority, and the city should find ways to accept the tradeoffs, and not fight them.


Reid
Registered user
Midtown
on Jul 13, 2023 at 12:51 pm
Reid, Midtown
Registered user
on Jul 13, 2023 at 12:51 pm

This was great news. Palo Alto almost didn't get bike lanes on ECR because we didn't submit plans to CalTrans like Mountain View and Redwood City, but we were in luck, someone in CalTrans decided that safety is more important than car storage.

I think in the end this may actually help small businesses on ECR. Small businesses on ECR can't compete with big box stores on parking. Their strength and niche is serving local needs. The parking on ECR has always been stressful and marginally useful. I prefer to park on side streets there anyway. Increasing accessiblity to cycling customers may actually do more to make ECR businesses accessible to locals.


Mayfielder
Registered user
Monroe Park
on Jul 13, 2023 at 12:56 pm
Mayfielder, Monroe Park
Registered user
on Jul 13, 2023 at 12:56 pm

Say YES to bike lanes on El Camino. Mountain View and Los Altos already approved them. It will be ridiculous to be traveling on a bike north from Mountain View and see the lanes stop when you hit Palo Alto. Kudos to Caltrans for pushing this forward. The time to re-stripe is just after the new pavement goes in. BTW, bids for that $34M repaving project open today (7/13).


Comment
Registered user
Downtown North
on Jul 13, 2023 at 3:31 pm
Comment, Downtown North
Registered user
on Jul 13, 2023 at 3:31 pm

If I understand Art Liberman (good guy), his idea is for cars not be able to turn into a business on ECR?
If this is correct, that would maroon businesses that have off street parking, and no parking at sidewalk.
This seems a no starter. We can’t do that to businesses.


Sunshine
Registered user
Barron Park
on Jul 13, 2023 at 3:36 pm
Sunshine, Barron Park
Registered user
on Jul 13, 2023 at 3:36 pm

Even if I were still able to ride a bicycle, I would NEVER ride on El Camino. That is pure suicide!
At one time some years ago I rode my bicycle from Barron Park to California Ave shopping Center and other times to the industrial park. I never rode on El Camino even during my youngest and mist daring times. Such a move is pure suicide!
NO bike lanes on El Camino. The space is needed for parking in front of businesses.


Mayfielder
Registered user
Monroe Park
on Jul 13, 2023 at 3:51 pm
Mayfielder, Monroe Park
Registered user
on Jul 13, 2023 at 3:51 pm

Palo Alto is “green” as long as it doesn’t affect them directly. “I wouldn’t bike there, so who cares if it is unsafe for those people who must or choose to ride a bike”, and. “Don’t take away my parking to make it safer for bikes, because I drive a Tesla!”


RDR
Registered user
Los Altos
on Jul 13, 2023 at 4:10 pm
RDR, Los Altos
Registered user
on Jul 13, 2023 at 4:10 pm

What's wrong is the idea that CalTrans blindsided the city. This has been talked about for years, but it got really serious in early 2022, i.e. 18 months ago. The article implies it first came up a few months ago. Not so.

In fact the actual situation is that CalTrans offered the cities the opportunity to upgrade the CalTrans bike lanes if they paid for it, so a decision on that was requested back over a year ago too.

So Los Altos actually responded to CalTrans in March 2022. Palo Alto just dilly dallied or they could have had a dialog with CalTrans!

See for example this article from the Los Altos High School Talon: Web Link


MyFeelz
Registered user
another community
on Jul 13, 2023 at 4:11 pm
MyFeelz, another community
Registered user
on Jul 13, 2023 at 4:11 pm

"Some questioned the goals of the Caltrans project" ... "and the impact that the new bike lanes would have on the vehicle dwellers who make El Camino their home." Slice up that paragraph, and tell me that removing the vehicle dwellers isn't the sole reason for this plan, and they didn't get the idea from Caltrans.

Get ready to see bicycle deaths go sky high after putting bike lanes on a highway. It's not safe for kids, it serves no purpose EXCEPT to evict the vehicle dwellers.

Also, as has been noted here, most of the businesses along ECR have no parking at all.

Might as well mow the businesses down and build "bike friendly" (a.k.a. no resident parking) "low income housing."

Palo Alto is not exactly the postcard for bike-friendly anything. The only thing you can do is ride your bike ... there are almost NO OPTIONS to park your bike to shop at local businesses. Unless you can afford to buy a new bike every day.

And those "Sharrows" are useless. It's a free-for-all, and anyone riding a bike on one of them is taking a huge risk. The only purpose of sharrows is to eliminate liability for the city and state. They don't make riding on a highway any safer. But the state can point to the latest fatality of a biker, and say "they didn't take proper precaution." The blame game shifts to the poor beleaguered bicyclist who can't have a car because there's nowhere to park one.


RDR
Registered user
another community
on Jul 13, 2023 at 4:13 pm
RDR, another community
Registered user
on Jul 13, 2023 at 4:13 pm

Note that there are bike lanes on Foothill Expressway where the speed limit is 45 mph and drivers regularly do 50mph or more! It's not more unsafe for bicyclists in bike lanes on ECR than anywhere else! The biggest danger for bicyclists is the parking, and CalTrans will eliminated that where needed, so it's actually a safety improvement. Bikes are already allowed in ECR but the parking is the problem for their use of the road.


dlundell
Registered user
Evergreen Park
on Jul 13, 2023 at 4:49 pm
dlundell, Evergreen Park
Registered user
on Jul 13, 2023 at 4:49 pm

As an owner of a business on El Camino Real that depends on short-term ECR parking, removing all of the on-street parking spaces would be a serious financial hit.

The idea above to use the Cal Train right-of-way is a good one. Though it sounds like ideas for alternatives to using ECR are falling on deaf ears at the state.


Evergreen Park Observer
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Evergreen Park
on Jul 13, 2023 at 8:08 pm
Evergreen Park Observer, Evergreen Park
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on Jul 13, 2023 at 8:08 pm

So many of the comments here exhibit a decided lack of concern for other people in the community. Some want the bike lanes on ECR because they like to ride anywhere they please (any street, any sidewalk, etc. pedestrians and cars be damned); some don’t care about no parking on ECR because they like to park in other people’s residential neighborhoods bringing their pollution and traffic concerns to where other people live, etc. What seems to be lacking is the idea that someone needs to be thinking about what is best for, and provides a place for everyone. Bikes may be good, but pedestrians are also. Bikes and pedestrians may be superior beings, but cars are not going away any time soon and are necessary in many situations (a low income worker cannot possibly get to multiple jobs in a day on the bus). Thinking things through and respecting others interests as well as your own would be a nice start. That’s why CalTrans acting unilaterally is so disrespectful — the top down approach is rarely the best solution.


TLM
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Barron Park
on Jul 13, 2023 at 8:43 pm
TLM, Barron Park
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on Jul 13, 2023 at 8:43 pm

Who on the PA Weekly staff pulled up a photo of an EMPTY El Camino during the beginning of the Covid lockdown (March 19, 2020), and then labeled it "El Camino Real at rush hour" as an illustration of what the busiest intersection in Palo Alto looks like? (PS. You can do better!)


Online Name
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Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Jul 14, 2023 at 6:41 am
Online Name, Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
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on Jul 14, 2023 at 6:41 am

@TLM. not to be snarky but that's exactly the sort of slanted findings we've gotten for decades from city staffers and their highly paid consultants that have forced taxpayers/citizens to fund their own traffic studies which then causes the city to hire more consultants to produce more slanted surveys and to construct sexy but wrong 3-D models.

Two of our former transportation czars Jaime Rodriquez and Josh Mello in particular were guilty of ignoring all inquiries from non-bike advocates and Mr. Mello was particularly incensed when hundreds of people showed up to protest his sneaky attempt to force through a 24-hour bike lane on a busy street based on erroneous data, traffic studies conducted at 2AM to show low volume parking studies conducted at 10AM when people were at work or school to show low need for parking.


Donald
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South of Midtown
on Jul 14, 2023 at 7:21 am
Donald, South of Midtown
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on Jul 14, 2023 at 7:21 am

The simple truth here is that Caltrans was (rightly) getting criticized for having a Complete Streets Policy but not bringing El Camino up to the standards required by that policy. This new plan has pedestrian safety improvements as well as bike lanes. If Palo Alto had chosen to pay attention to El Camino years ago, as have Mountain View and other communities, they would not have been taken by surprise here.

This plan may not make El Camino "safe" for bicyclists, but it will make it safer them than it is now. Eventually we may get to the point where El Camino can be considered to be safe for pedestrians and bicyclists, but we won't get there if we don't start somewhere.


Annette
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College Terrace
on Jul 14, 2023 at 8:18 am
Annette, College Terrace
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on Jul 14, 2023 at 8:18 am

Caption on one of the photos: "Rush hour at the intersection of El Camino Real and Page Mill Road in Palo Alto on March 19, 2020."

Is this meant to be a joke, an insult, or a test? Rush hour didn't exist in Santa Clara County in March of 2020. And if a current photo is substituted, please use one with a time stamp so that readers can gauge if the photo is representative of rush hour. A frequent poster, possibly Online Name, has often questioned the time of day that consultants measure traffic, suggesting, I assume, that they choose to report data that supports a pre-determined conclusion. Looks to me like that is exactly what was done here. Foul ball!


Chip
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JLS Middle School
on Jul 14, 2023 at 10:43 am
Chip, JLS Middle School
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on Jul 14, 2023 at 10:43 am

Yes to bike lanes on El Camino. There should be no street parking for cars on ECR. Presently, cyclists risk injury when drivers park on ECR & open their car doors into the paths of oncoming bikes.
Combining bicycles & pedestrians in a "sidewalk" lane is a horrible idea that will cause injury to many pedestrians.
With the craze to build more multi-unit housing along ECR, thus increasing car traffic, it's imperative to dedicate bike lanes and also ticket cyclists who ignore stop signs, traffic signals, pedestrians in crosswalks, etc.


Online Name
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Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Jul 14, 2023 at 11:38 am
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on Jul 14, 2023 at 11:38 am

@Chip, following through on your post, shall we ban all businesses on El Camino Real and then raise our utility rates accordingly to cover the lost sales tax revenues?

Let's hear it for more unemployment, more business bankruptcies and more under-parked developments. How great that all the new people in the new under-parked developments will have to quit their jobs since they can no longer commute.

Great news because in 8 yeers we can lower the housing targets since they're based on obsolete job numbers any way.


Annette
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College Terrace
on Jul 14, 2023 at 12:20 pm
Annette, College Terrace
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on Jul 14, 2023 at 12:20 pm

How could Palo Alto possibly be blindsided by this? There are multiple City/County touch points. Such as: Shikada is on the Board of Joint Venture Silicon Valley, Simitian is a reliable and available resource, and transportation is a constant focus of discussion. Plus, this particular issue has been in the news.


Chip
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JLS Middle School
on Jul 14, 2023 at 3:05 pm
Chip, JLS Middle School
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on Jul 14, 2023 at 3:05 pm

@Online Name- Very few businesses are dependent exclusively on ECR street parking. Most have some rear access (off ECR) and are close to a perpendicular street where cars can park.
PA should not allow any underparked developments. If the parking is adequate for the number of residential units, no one has to park on the street. Just try getting through Menlo Park with only 2 ECR lanes. Walking is probably faster.
The problem is that it's impossible to create a separate bike lane without reducing car lanes unless street parking is eliminated. If ECR gridlocks all day because it's had lane reduction, people won't move to the new developments & population may decrease.
Let's encourage safe cycling, which will help compensate for lousy bus service, by giving cyclists dedicated protected lanes, with curb cuts for driveways.


Resident 1-Adobe Meadows
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Adobe-Meadow
on Jul 14, 2023 at 5:06 pm
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on Jul 14, 2023 at 5:06 pm

Worst idea ever. El Camino is State Highway 82 - not your local "respond to the activist" novelty. CA legislation is promoting housing on this highway due to it's provision of fast, unimpeded access to the stores on the highway and the apartments and hotels. We are suppose to have busses and a bus lane. That is the whole point of the legislation that is being sold in Sacramento. What we have now is RV's on El Camino which disrupt traffic and no paving to speak of. Who is in charge of Caltrans and who thought this up?
Have you noticed that the CA legislature sets up some requirement then another bill contradicts what was the rationale for the first bill? It is like they all sit up there and think up ways to create and destroy on any topic? A big NO to this idea. Focus on repaving the street and creating the bus lanes with actual busses. That was your previous job. You have not done the job that you previously agreed to and are required to do.


jjmm2009
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another community
on Jul 15, 2023 at 4:23 pm
jjmm2009, another community
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on Jul 15, 2023 at 4:23 pm

It's so funny to watch all the squirming over this issue. Forgive me if I missed the tuna boat on this one, but it smacks of someone's bright idea to construct a "legitimate" reason to boot all the urban campers off the ECR.

"I'm sorry, sir, we respect you and your right to squat along the ECR, but, but, bicycles!"


Donald
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South of Midtown
on Jul 16, 2023 at 8:18 am
Donald, South of Midtown
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on Jul 16, 2023 at 8:18 am

Sorry, but the RV dwellers have nothing to do with this. The redesign is a Caltrans plan, and Caltrans doesn't control the parking and doesn't care about the RVs. They are entirely Palo Alto's issue.


Online Name
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Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Jul 16, 2023 at 8:23 am
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on Jul 16, 2023 at 8:23 am

"They are entirely Palo Alto's issue."

Actually the rv's on El Camino are Stanford's since they're on Stanford's side of ECR. Or so PA keeps telling us.

It's another local miracle how the rv's disappear whenever there's a big game or event at Stanford.


Resident 1-Adobe Meadows
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Adobe-Meadow
on Jul 16, 2023 at 1:38 pm
Resident 1-Adobe Meadows, Adobe-Meadow
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on Jul 16, 2023 at 1:38 pm

Look at these comments. Absurd. There needs to be a consistent handling of state highways. In the case of HWY 82 it is suppose to be a main thoroughfare through the whole state. This is where you put the big hotels, big buildings, big restaurants, big medical centers.
RV's are on Fabien and East Meadow Circle. they have a place to go. Bicycles are on bicycle paths or designated spaces. Comparison to Foothill Expressway? Foothill does not have major businesses directly on the street - the business are on the side streets. I drive on El Camino and there is a lot of vary fast traffic. There is no room for bicycles. That is a very busy street.


Annette
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College Terrace
on Jul 16, 2023 at 3:45 pm
Annette, College Terrace
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on Jul 16, 2023 at 3:45 pm

@jjmm2009 - I think you are on to something vis-a-vis the urban campers living in RVs on the king's highway.


Pat Markevitch
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Downtown North
on Jul 16, 2023 at 6:08 pm
Pat Markevitch, Downtown North
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on Jul 16, 2023 at 6:08 pm

This is all part of the Grand Boulevard Initiative. Here is an excerpt:

"The Grand Boulevard Initiative: Creating Safe and Healthy Corridor Communities Project facilitated the design of multimodal streetscape improvements for two case study locations on El Camino Real in Redwood City and Palo Alto. This project was a critical first step toward implementing multimodal improvements, addressing safety issues in the El Camino Real Corridor, and realizing the Grand Boulevard Initiative Vision of people friendly places. Planning work began in the summer of 2017 and focused on the development of conceptual streetscape designs that could not only bring the Grand Boulevard Initiative Vision to reality but also provide Corridor guidance for future multimodal improvements."

If you have driven down ECR in Redwood City and noticed those huge new apartment complexes that are built right against the sidewalk with no green setbacks and that have ground floor retail, that is the future of ECR. This plan calls for this type housing all up and down ECR on the Peninsula.

Part of this plan is to have bike lanes.


As for the small businesses along ECR, too bad as they won't fit in with the plan. They might as well run light rail down the middle of ECR while they are at it.


Resident 1-Adobe Meadows
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Adobe-Meadow
on Jul 17, 2023 at 10:37 am
Resident 1-Adobe Meadows, Adobe-Meadow
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on Jul 17, 2023 at 10:37 am

Pat - sorry the idea makes no sense. As I recall there must be another "plan" in which bus lanes are in the center and cars and parking on the side next to the sidewalk. Yes - there was a plan to do that. I am up in Redwood City about twice a week and El Camino is extremely busy. And people are parking next to the sidewalk.

The whole housing effort is dependent on large buildings for residences in areas of transportation with busses. Where do you think the busses are going to be?
One of the other arguments for low cost housing is that the low cost people have access to busses.

[Portion removed.]


Mayfielder
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Monroe Park
on Jul 17, 2023 at 12:17 pm
Mayfielder, Monroe Park
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on Jul 17, 2023 at 12:17 pm

Here’s a link to the Grand Boulevard initiative that Pat mentioned:

Web Link

Final reports are posted. Why can’t “low cost people” use bikes and buses?


Donald
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South of Midtown
on Jul 17, 2023 at 12:34 pm
Donald, South of Midtown
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on Jul 17, 2023 at 12:34 pm

VTA (not Caltrans, which has nothing to do with buses) proposed bus lanes on El Camino, but for them to be effective they needed to run all the way from San Jose to Palo Alto. Every city along the way had to agree and buy in separately. Not all agreed, so the proposal was shelved. Web Link


Resident 1-Adobe Meadows
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Adobe-Meadow
on Jul 17, 2023 at 8:37 pm
Resident 1-Adobe Meadows, Adobe-Meadow
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on Jul 17, 2023 at 8:37 pm

The tourist industry is a big part of any cities bottom line. Tourist typically stay at large hotels - typically on El Camino. Fans come in for big games. Tourist are not riding bicycles down El Camino. Tourist coming in for big games know there are busses that can take them to the game locations. That is money making for SU as well as PA. If having fans is part of the overall money maker for any city then make it easy for fans to be there. WE have foreign tourists and others that rent cars at the airport.
The job here should be to make El Camino as straight forward as to purpose - moving people from point a to point b. People who are staying at locations on El Camino are not using bicycles. People going to work are not using bicycles. They are in cars or busses.


SteveDabrowski
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Duveneck/St. Francis
on Jul 18, 2023 at 11:31 am
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on Jul 18, 2023 at 11:31 am

@Mark Dinan:
Having driven in downtown Paris during weekday traffic I kind of think that is not an example Palo Alto would really want to follow.

As to the bike path on ECR I doubt I would ever really use it, but on the other hand I no longer face a daily commute. I have been cycling for some 60 years now, commuting, touring, just hopping on the bike for a ride over Mt Hamilton to the Central Valley one morning, riding from the Pacific to the Atlantic and from Canada to Mexico when my time allowed. These of course at a younger age. Still even now I like to put in 20-25 miles a couple of times a week. I am not a big fan of bike lanes with all the paint. The thick multiple cross lines near every intersection are particularly annoying when crossing at speed with highly inflated tires, I often just drift into the traffic lane to avoid them.

I used to commute to San Carlos daily when I worked up there and used the roads available less ECR, I also did so to Sunnyvale when working there near Moffet Field, both from Palo Alto. I occasionally re-ride these routes for some easy exercise and still find them reasonable (and pleasant) with no need for ECR. But I can see how the ECR lanes might be useful to some, anyway everyone can pick their own route and more is better than less in way of choice in my opinion.

Despite my years of riding I still find occasion to use profanity towards bikers when driving my car, and of course towards drivers when on my bike, even bike lanes won't fix that.



Native to the BAY
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Old Palo Alto
on Jul 18, 2023 at 11:45 pm
Native to the BAY, Old Palo Alto
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on Jul 18, 2023 at 11:45 pm

@MyFeelz . I will comment on your because it slices the marrow, narrow “sharrow”. Yes a child died outside my ECR low income housing. And yes there was a blame. Not because of the eff’d up Csl ECR crossing, or that a over two ton truck was the cause, or a green light crossing, or a VTA bus pulling up to Wells Fargo, or that aLock down was hours away, or that it was on the eve of daylight savings, or that it was very cold that evening or that a child was fast peddling home from Stanford activity to get home when it was dark. No he was em wearing a helmet. And yes this 11 year old at 7:40pm was riding on the sidewalk — so what!! Not that trucks over two tons are allowed to travel on S. Csl Ave (really it’s West) or that there were tons of sight line obscurities, or that we were hours away from a Global Lockdown or that it was dark and cold. I arrived home at 12am, having to detour a closed ECR. All I could do was wobble up to an officer. I live here. My two boys live w me here. Was this my boy? Thank the Gods above he at least could say, no it was no one that lived here.

Yet my grief and relief did not stop there. I fear every single day my children take off from 2500 ECR to cross ECR at Cal Ave. and it’s gotten worse. Not better. W the closure of Cal Ave. the still right on green off Csl Ave. tons of ped, bike, stroller, chair, pet & pedestrian travel. The no count down cross light, the diagonal stripped cross walk. The crappy orangwater barrels just east of white cross walk of ECR, the sight line impediments, the stacked VTA buss’ at Wells Fargo. The no left turn at ECR Cal Ave w cars backed up south of Stanford Ave. plus the emergency fire vehicles screeching East down Cal Ave. and bicyclists are to navigate a 2 1/2 foot gutter path leading up to ... ECR. Too the all way stop that 90% of vehicles blow at Yale and SRP easement including: USPS trucks, Wayz self driving cars, Amazon, UPs u name it — the very path a child traveled, was killed, worse than ever.


Native to the BAY
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Old Palo Alto
on Jul 19, 2023 at 12:45 am
Native to the BAY, Old Palo Alto
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on Jul 19, 2023 at 12:45 am

@Pat Markevitch. Interesting you bring up the Grand Blvd . The planning sessions for these in PA were scheduled on Thursday evenings the same days as for example: The Cubblerly Concordia, The Cal Train Grade Separation, Ventura Coordinated Area Plan NVCAP, and the Safe Routes to School 5 year plan update. Yes all of these public meetings were planned, scheduled and commenced on the very same evenings during very same weeks. — coordinated? No. Disjointed yes. The very active, involved populous that was needed for each of these was divided and diverted and diluted. At the time I voiced to a city entity. Let’s get one or two to each of these Thursdays — to come together afterward and join together, what was learned. Not headed. Instead we have now. As if all was not ready and ripe for a really good cohesive plan. So it goes. And BTW this was also the same Thursday that County Housing Commission met as well as many local PSUSD campuses site council’s met. Power in numbers? Well a very powerful won (win) was lost with a city, county, PAUSD entities shake of multiple dice on the same table. In other words. Tons of organized change for the better was lost to divide and conquer tactics conscience or in conscience, I understood at the time power in numbers would be lost for lack of good coordination.


Some Random Resident
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Barron Park
on Jul 19, 2023 at 2:24 pm
Some Random Resident, Barron Park
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on Jul 19, 2023 at 2:24 pm

I'm confused as to why the proposal for bike lanes and no parking on ECR seems to be a *new* surprise to the City (Transportation) and PABAC -- this was under discussion in March 2022 in Los Altos: Web Link


Anonymous
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Duveneck/St. Francis
on Jul 20, 2023 at 12:41 pm
Anonymous, Duveneck/St. Francis
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on Jul 20, 2023 at 12:41 pm

I believe El Camino Real is a major inter city route for motor vehicle traffic. It should be repaved and maintained as a vital swift route between cities. Regularly scheduled busses are fine for public transportation. It should certainly not be remade for biking, or God forbid, e-biking!
Other routes can be added for cyclists.


Bystander
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Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 20, 2023 at 3:06 pm
Bystander, Another Palo Alto neighborhood
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on Jul 20, 2023 at 3:06 pm

El Camino is a stop and go corridor useful for a block or two, but absolutely useless to get anywhere efficiently. It is much easier to use Alma/Central or Foothill Expressway.

Anyone wanting to move on such a slow artery needs a reality check. Alma should be made into an Expressway. We could do with some Clearways here too which help traffic move efficiently during commute hours.

El Camino is not suitable to turn into an Expressway or a Clearway due to all the businesses and residential buildings that need egress.


MyFeelz
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another community
on Jul 20, 2023 at 5:32 pm
MyFeelz, another community
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on Jul 20, 2023 at 5:32 pm

Another factor about decreased visibility along ECR is the overgrowth of weeds. Yesterday, I saw a car turning left and maybe it's because I was behind and could see, they were about to run over a guy who was crossing the El on a bike. I laid on my horn hoping to stop both of them in their tracks. It succeeded but what about next time? If they plan to turn ECR into a bike-friendly road, they need to place convenient and VISIBLE places to cross El Camino. Mow the dang weeds.

@NTTB ... all we can do is hope clear heads will prevail so that everyone can be safe, accessing the apartments the city wants to build on a congested roadway. Glad your folks are OK, and hope that they remain so.


N
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Ventura
on Jul 20, 2023 at 7:02 pm
N, Ventura
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on Jul 20, 2023 at 7:02 pm

As an avid cyclist, how has nobody yet mentioned that we already have a fantastic bike route spanning the full length of the city North to South?

Our bike boulevard runs as a traffic-separated bike trail from the University Ave Caltrain station down to Paly, then as a beautiful + shaded + low-traffic route through Southgate, to excellent bike paths along Park Blvd all the way to the border (plus a side street or two with great signage) with Mountain View.

Our existing bike boulevard is one large city block from El Camino, and has (iirc) just two traffic signals for the full length of the city. It's not crowded with bikes, but gets a lot of usage.

Why on Earth would anyone prefer biking down El Camino, with (guessing) 25x traffic lights and zero shade, when we have such a great option already just one block over?


Donald
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South of Midtown
on Jul 21, 2023 at 9:41 am
Donald, South of Midtown
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on Jul 21, 2023 at 9:41 am

N,
That is exactly the thinking that caused Palo Alto to ignore El Camino, thus getting surprised by the Caltrans plan.


Resident 1-Adobe Meadows
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Adobe-Meadow
on Jul 21, 2023 at 5:56 pm
Resident 1-Adobe Meadows, Adobe-Meadow
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on Jul 21, 2023 at 5:56 pm

Reading the article in this Weeks publication there are different actions being addressed. Specific locations and generally in residential locations. Those look like a good idea. Then you get to the next totally different dynamic on El Camino which is a commercial mixed use zone that is already heavily populated with existing businesses - sports stadium, hotels, markets, shopping centers, large residential buildings; large and small businesses, etc.

The idea that you would turn this street into a bike lane dominated street I believe is illegal. we have a group of people that no one voted for, unclear if they are employed by the city, with no mention of any acting city authority that we recognize - city manager, city lawyer, PACC members. I do not believe that any of those people have the legal authority to interface with Caltrans concerning the welfare of the Business's that are already on that street, including SU and the school system - PAHS. Many dependent on busses.

We need to step back here and correctly identify who is in charge in this city regarding interactions with state agencies. If state agencies are impacting the business base of a city then that is a high level discussion as it impacts the Housing Plan that we have submitted to the state to influence our funding. We need a legal opinion, city manager opinion as to the impact on the city plan for meeting the state goals. Clearly the state goals have a higher legal status then some plan that defies common sense. WE need the PACC to step up here - you are running the city.


Amie
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Downtown North
on Jul 22, 2023 at 3:01 pm
Amie, Downtown North
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on Jul 22, 2023 at 3:01 pm

If we ever want to meet climate goals, make our roads safer for ALL users (studies all show safe bike lanes reduce speeds and accidents for ALL users and 60% of residents would ride more if they felt "safe"), and support a thriving community -- we need projects like this. I am so excited to safely ride on ECR, which is a public right-of-way and not a parking lot for a privately owned vehicle or business.

We seem to have forgotten that ECR is 6+ lanes wide (obscene in the era of climate change) in many areas. Loss of a travel lane or parking spaces still leaves an lot of room for drivers.

We have been left in the dust. Communities to our north and south are already implementing bike lanes, they are winning on the community and economic development front and we are left behind. The Grand Boulevard Initiative has been studied and restudied (ad nauseum). If this is a "surprise" to anyone, then their heads have been hiding in the sand.

This addresses two big council priorities - GHG emissions/climate change and community health and safety. This project is a great way to make progress on two of those goals. Making ECR more "friendly" and beautiful for all uses will spur economic development (3rd council goal) and maybe even housing (4th council goal). A win-win-win-win!


Online Name
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Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Jul 22, 2023 at 5:48 pm
Online Name, Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
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on Jul 22, 2023 at 5:48 pm

"We seem to have forgotten that ECR is 6+ lanes wide (obscene in the era of climate change) in many areas. Loss of a travel lane or parking spaces still leaves an lot of room for drivers."

Sure, much better to create bottlenecks with frustrated drivers idling away stuck in traffic. And loss of parking spaces will kill enough businesses that there won't be anywhere to go anyway so we'll be much close to meeting all sorts of arbitrary targets.

And with the loss of the sales tax revenue, PAU can just keep hiking our utility rates and then tell us we conserved too much to try to save money so they're forced to raise them again.

Isn't urban planning great.


Bystander
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Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 22, 2023 at 7:50 pm
Bystander, Another Palo Alto neighborhood
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on Jul 22, 2023 at 7:50 pm

I am reminded of a time about a decade ago when I went with my then permit holding teen driver logging hours before his behind the wheel test. I think we hit ECR about 4.30 pm at Town & Country and drove as far as San Antonio before returning home. In all we were out for over an hour but the slowest part of the drive was ECR in the middle of the commute time. I am not sure how much experience of driving he got from this, but I have never used ECR for more than a block or two since.


Resident 1-Adobe Meadows
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Adobe-Meadow
on Jul 23, 2023 at 12:22 pm
Resident 1-Adobe Meadows, Adobe-Meadow
Registered user
on Jul 23, 2023 at 12:22 pm

Annie - some of the lanes on ECR are left turn and right turn lanes. The lanes that cross Oregon are limited. There are two left hand turn lanes on ECR going to Oregon. The whole street is consumed with turn lanes. You also have a parking lane so people can transact business.

Menlo Park has a huge parking lot in back of it's stores on Santa Cruz so they have approached this topic in a different way. A big parking lot in back of the Big 5 business complex on ECR.

WE do not have big parking lots in back of stores except on California Street. Residents are right up to the business districts - not a lot of parking except in special places. WE are laid out different than other cities.

Redwood City has huge transportation center next to the Sequoia Station. Each city has different issues. No one can take one "rule' and apply it to any other city.


Resident 1-Adobe Meadows
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Adobe-Meadow
on Jul 23, 2023 at 1:40 pm
Resident 1-Adobe Meadows, Adobe-Meadow
Registered user
on Jul 23, 2023 at 1:40 pm

Here is a thought - is Caltran punishing Palo Alto for allowing the RV's to park on El Camino? They are in the lane that the buses would be using. A bus can pass a parked car easily but passing an RV is a danger to the bus driver and potential damage to the bus. VTA's job is to invest in drivers and busses - not humor every cities makeshift homeless problems.

I was downtown yesterday and there was a huge, new bus in the Caltrain station parking lot. It was one of those double stretch buses. It had to get there on Alma. That bus was not about to park on ECR near the train station. When you see something like that then you can see that VTA is scrambling to get riders.

All of the busses wait on the side street next to SU that rolls into ECR. Is that their preferred waiting place?

Can a city official talk to the VTA and see if that is a problem they are having? There is a broken down RV right where the busses come into ECR.

If the city has created a giant mess then correct it. No RV's on ECR - no sleeping overnight on that street. It needs to be clear so the VTA can conduct business.


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