For Zareen Khan, the benefits of car-free living are plainly visible and painfully obvious.
Even on a late Tuesday afternoon, when the lunch period wraps up and much of Palo Alto's California Avenue is sleepy and sparsely populated, the tables outside her namesake restaurant are filled with diners.
"People still feel comfortable sitting outside, that's the fact. And I think it's going to stay that way for a while," Khan said during a recent interview.
Like just about every business owner in the city's "second downtown," Khan has been pivoting and adjusting over the course of the pandemic, all the while bracing for further changes down the road. In the early days of the pandemic, she greatly expanded the dining area outside Zareen's, adding spaces for dozens of diners. Even with the expansion, it's not unusual to see long lines of people snaking outside the restaurant's front door.
And while California Avenue has seen businesses leave during the pandemic — a list that includes The Counter, Subway, Pastis, Peking Duck and Avalon Art and Yoga Center — Khan has no plans to go anywhere. She recently leased the building next door that was vacated by Starbucks earlier this year. She is now planning to move the restaurant kitchen to that building and create more space inside the original Zareen's for indoor dining.
As a business owner who is invested in California Avenue, Khan is also eagerly awaiting to see what the city does with the street, which was temporarily closed to cars in June 2020 to encourage outdoor dining at a time when gathering indoors was deemed a health risk.
But the program that was initially treated as a temporary measure (as evidenced by the program's original name, "Summer Streets"), has since calcified into something permanent and amorphous. Since 2020, the City Council has repeatedly extended California Avenue's car-free status even as it delayed making a final decision about the street's long-term future. Most recently, it extended the street's closure to cars until December 2023.
Like many other restaurant owners on California Avenue, Khan supports a permanent closure to cars — a position that she shares with Franco and Maico Campilongo, brothers who own two restaurants on the strip, Italico and Terun. The street closure has been good for business, Franco Campilongo said in a recent interview at Italico. Revenues at the two restaurants are up 40% since the pre-COVID-19 days. With more outdoor tables, the restaurant can serve more people and allow diners to avoid wait times of more than an hour. Having no cars whizzing by also helped, he said.
"More people came to this area because of the street closure because you don't have to worry about cars hitting your children while they're running around," he said.
But the street looks quite different down the block, where Stephen Oberhauser is repairing shoes at The Cobblery, a family-owned business that has been a California Avenue stalwart for four generations. Retail sales at The Cobblery have been down by about 35% since before COVID-19, Oberhauser said in an interview.
The closure of the street is probably not the only cause of this downward trend. Societal shifts toward greater online retail shopping and remote work, which significantly reduced the workforce population in the California Avenue business district, certainly played a role. But the city's decision to get cars out of California Avenue, its failure to beautify the street since then and its chronic indecision about the street's future certainly haven't helped, Oberhauser said.
"It's just a few restaurants that are really killing it down here with the street closure and the rest are just trying to get by," Oberhauser said.
The city's actions — or rather inaction — only add to the sense of frustration that many retailers are facing. December 2023 is now just two months away and the city hasn't told the businesses what it plans to do beyond that date.
"It's frustrating just waiting and not knowing what the city is planning," Oberhauser said.
Like many other retailers on the strip, Oberhauser believes it's time to bring cars back to California Avenue. Last week, Jessica Roth, co-owner of The Cobblery, penned an opinion piece with owners of four other California Avenue businesses — La Bodeguita del Medio, Vino Vin Wine, Mollie Stone's and Protege — that pushed for a new alternative: opening one lane of the street to vehicle traffic from El Camino Real to Birch Street.
"While permanent street closure would benefit some restaurants, it would devastate the district's other businesses," the opinion piece in the Palo Alto Weekly stated.
"We mustn't reduce California Avenue to a restaurant row. We need to protect the vibrancy of the area to attract customers, encourage new business development, and support the needs of residents and the local community."
The two philosophies will collide on Nov. 6, when the council considers a new recommendation from city staff to keep California Avenue car-free for at least another year while a consulting firm develops alternatives.
If the council approves this plan, the street will retain its current configuration until December 2024 while a firm called Urban Field Studio conducts a 12-month analysis that explores options for improving California Avenue's streetscape design, traffic circulation, signage and outdoor dining areas.
In the meantime, city staff plans to pursue "demonstration projects to enhance the experience on the streets and further encourage people to visit the area," states a new report from the city's Office of Transportation.
This could include extending the miniature golf setup that was recently installed near the El Camino side, creating new play areas and getting rid of the orange plastic construction barriers that block cars from entering California Avenue, which to many residents and visitors epitomize the city's half-baked approach to planning for the street's future.
In need of a little love
The two sides in the California Avenue debate have different visions of the ideal future, but they generally agree on a few things. One is that the street desperately needs a little more love from the city.
Even though recent surveys commissioned by the city show that about 80% of respondents prefer to keep the street car-free, not too many people think it should look the way it does today, with parklets and outdoor tables randomly scattered up and down the thoroughfare.
California Avenue still includes pockets of whimsy and amusement: a giant chess set on the north side of the street, across from Zareen's, and the Putters mini golf course next to the El Camino barriers. But on a typical weekday afternoon, the bustling dining areas outside Zareen's, Italico and Terun and a handful of other establishments stand out like pearls on a fraying string.
Outside the lunch and dinner hours, one can probably roll a bowling ball down the avenue without hitting a single pedestrian or a bicyclist. And the hodgepodge of temporary dining areas has created an appearance that some business owners characterize as a "circus" or, less charitably, a "tent city."
Then there's the issue of cleanliness. Mark Shull, a regular visitor to California Avenue, complained to the council at a recent meeting about the street's "accelerating neglect and deterioration."
Shull cited the city's recently constructed parking garage and the soon-to-be-completed public-safety headquarters as "gold-plated city buildings," and urged the city to come up with the resources to maintain California Avenue properly.
"No long-term plans are going to mean anything if the city doesn't keep the streets cleaned up, orderly and inviting, particularly inside the barricades," Shull said at the Oct. 23 meeting.
Others believe the city should encourage more events that bring people to California Avenue. The Campilongo brothers, of Italico and Terun, started weekly street music during the pandemic.
And Maico Campilongo said he and his brother had considered several other possible attractions that could make the strip more attractive, including an exhibit celebrating Palo Alto's history of technological innovation and a showcase spot for fancy and exotic cars. Franco Campilongo said that when he asked the city about the car display, he received a 14-page application with a set of fees. The idea fizzled.
Sahlik Khan, Zareen's son, pointed to Castro Street in Mountain View and Santana Row as examples of what California Avenue can look like if the city invests in better lighting and landscaping.
"You can see a lot of places that started off by saying, 'It's not just a downtown; it's more of a destination.' And we have the opportunity to really be that spot," Sahlik Khan said.
Other business owners believe that more widespread changes are needed to address California Avenue's current appearance. In July, California Avenue businesses debated in an email exchange the recent changes on their street.
While Zareen Khan, expressed her support for keeping the streets-car free, many others made it clear that they don't share her position and pointed to the street's deteriorating aesthetics and sleepy vibes.
Al Ghafouri, owner of Printer's Cafe, said his business is still down 50% from before the pandemic and likened it to a "ghost town" during day time. Anthony Secviar, chief and owner of Protege, which is located just outside the car-free portion of California Avenue, lamented the "zero aesthetic integration of the street with the outdoor dining spaces."
Steve Ugur, founder and director of operations at Sekoya Lounge & Kitchen, said he wants the city to retain parklets and reopen the street "to enable a more aesthetic integration with the restaurants they serve."
"I am definitely not against outdoor dining, but it just isn't pleasant right now on Cal Ave.," Ugur wrote. "It definitely does look like a temporary street fair."
Running out of patience
Another thing that the two camps agree on is that city leaders should stop punting and make a decision. In spring 2022, the Palo Alto council took a quintessentially Palo Altan approach to the problem when it agreed to fund a study that would gauge public opinions, talk to stakeholders and identify the parameters of a broader study — the one that the council is expected to approve in November.
Business owners have indicated that they're losing patience with this prolonged planning purgatory, particularly at a time when the retail sector is reeling from high rents and high vacancies. A report that the city's consultant, Streetsense, released over the summer noted that California Avenue's vacancy rate of 15% is the highest among all of the city's shopping districts.
A separate study, which conducted by the firms Fukuji Architecture and Planning and Fehr & Peers, pegged the vacancy rate on California Avenue at about 25%, which includes "shadow" vacancies in which lease payments are made but there are no storefronts occupying the space, according to the report.
Both of these studies came out before the grocery store Country Sun announced that it will close by the end of the year, creating a vacancy at a prominent location on the car-free blocks. (Despite this impending departure, many of the storefronts vacated earlier in the pandemic have now been filled by other businesses, such as Local Kitchens, Ume Tea, Namaste, Ramen Kowa, Victoria Ballet and Art Studio and Imperial Treasure.)
During a recent meeting with Council member Greg Tanaka, which was streamed on his Facebook page, Jessica Roth of The Cobblery complained about the city's process for working with businesses on developing a solution for California Avenue.
"City staff has done a poor job at outreach to the businesses on Cal Ave and getting a true representation of what businesses want the street to be closed and what businesses would like the street to be reopened," Roth said at the Tanaka meeting.
Franco Campilongo said that the city's indecision may be making the situation worse because it deters potential business owners and investors from coming to California Avenue and steers them to downtowns in other cities.
"They are kind of scared to come here because they don't know what's happening. So when you're in doubt, you don't really want to come and invest," he said.
Michael Ekwall, co-owner of La Bodeguita del Medio, also strongly supports outdoor dining, while also favoring the one-lane compromise. Without the council's emergency measures, his restaurant wouldn't have made it through the pandemic, he said in an interview. Since then, however, he has been frustrated by the city's process and its failure to clearly communicate with the business owners.
"I don't think people are necessarily resistant to change, but we need some clarity," Ekwall said. "We can't just keep waiting for another year and then another year to make a decision."
In supporting opening one lane of California Avenue to cars, Ekwall argued that it would still allow restaurants to have parklets and outdoor dining (albeit, not in the middle of the street). It would also help the merchants who have argued that the car prohibition and parklet proliferation have made their businesses both less visible and less accessible to visitors.
"I think it makes sense to try something different in the interim," Ekwall said. "If the neighbors would listen to each other and understand that if you have a restaurant and have outdoor dining, it's probably not gonna be significantly impacted by opening one lane of traffic."
He also noted that the city will not be able to gather any additional data by keeping the street closed to cars for another year. The only real reason it has to maintain the status quo is to avoid the work of reopening it to cars, he said.
"What matters is what we see on the ground, and that is that a lot of businesses continue to struggle," Ekwall said in an interview. "When they say it's about access and visibility, why aren't we listening to them?"
The complexities of cars
While Ekwall and other members of his business coalition see the creation of a one-way street on California Avenue as a compromise, they are facing an uphill battle when it comes to convincing city leaders to pursue this idea.
The new report from the city's Office of Transportation identifies a series of challenges that this would entail, including costs, inadequate staff capacity and the length of time it would take to implement. The process would almost certainly (and most predictably) include more consultants, another new traffic study and an environmental analysis.
The report also notes that if the city creates the one-way configuration while pursuing the 12-month study, it may find itself reconfiguring the street again once the council identifies a preferred alternative. If that happens, businesses and the community "may get confused and discouraged with continuous and frequent changes."
While transportation staff are recommending retaining the current setup on California Avenue, the council has other options as well.
It may revert to pre-pandemic mode, with both lanes open, a move that can be done relatively quickly, given that the current car-free program is set to expire on Dec. 31, 2023 anyway. That's the upside.
The downside is that businesses would have to remove all outdoor dining areas that are on city streets and the community would "lose the gathering spaces available now and may be discouraged to visit altogether," the Office of Transportation report stated.
The council could also choose to prohibit cars on California Avenue only during certain seasons, on weekends or during special events. That option could, however, "turn away the community and confuse would-be visitors who are unsure of the street conditions and environment."
For the restaurants that support a car-free California Avenue, this is a key point. They acknowledge that they benefit more than other types of businesses from the car-free alignment. But reverting the street to its pre-2020 setup will attract fewer people to the area, they argue. This will not only hurt them; it will also hurt the very retailers that are already struggling and who blame the closure of California Avenue for the business district's broader challenges.
Zareen Khan believes that California Avenue's big challenge is high rents, not car-free streets. Removing street dining will certainly create a drop in business to some restaurants. The benefits, however, are hard to predict.
"You might gain something, you might not — it's up in the air, right?" Khan said. "People say, 'Well, let's just try out something,' but the opportunity cost is high."
What the council, community think
Palo Alto council members, for their part, have been reluctant to make any major pivots since the car-free program was established in 2020. During a May 2022 public hearing in which they agreed to keep California Avenue car-free, Council members Pat Burt and Greer Stone both expressed support for improving the design on California Avenue and creating a more cohesive and permanent feel.
"I think it's really important for us to move beyond the very temporary haphazard situation we have and improve the design and the support for pedestrians," Burt said just after making the motion to retain the closure to cars.
Stone said he can't imagine a scenario where the council closes the street, reopens it and then closes it again — a position that would be hard to reconcile with the new one-lane proposal from the business coalition.
He also cited the feedback that the city has received and concluded that the community "really loves these closed streets."
The report from Fukuji and Fehr & Peers also underscored the popularity of car-free streets among the broader public. In January, the firms completed an online survey that asked respondents which "flexible interim street designs prior to permanent improvements" they want to see tested.
Of the 356 respondents, 79.3% selected "closure to all traffic except emergency vehicles" and 71.3% chose "pedestrian promenade." Two-way vehicle access received support from just 10.3% of the respondents and one-lane access just 8.9%.
Palo Alto has also received generally positive responses to its "flexible community spaces" program, which placed tables, chairs and game play areas like corn hole and chess in parts of California Avenue. The city placed QR-code survey stickers in these spaces and asked for feedback.
According to the new city report, the responses include "Keep doing more of these," "Less paving are more parklike," and "Yasssssssssssss #love" (the only negative comment quoted in the report is a complaint that the games are a mess and that they get "scattered all over the street and sidewalk").
It's hardly surprising, however, that residents who responded to surveys while playing games on California Avenue would have positive association with configurations that encourage the street's closure to traffic. Some residents, however, feel the experiment with car-free streets has gone on long enough.
Shannon McEntee, who lives in the Mayfield neighborhood close to California Avenue, is among them. In her view, the car-free street isn't just unattractive, it is also "awkward and inconvenient." McEntee serves on the board of the Palo Alto Transportation Management Authority, a nonprofit charged with getting people to shift away from cars in favor of using other modes of transportation. But when it comes to California Avenue, she believes it's time to bring cars back.
The current setup, she noted, redirects vehicle traffic to the narrower streets in her neighborhood. It also makes it less convenient for people to get to the Caltrain station at the end of California Avenue, near Park Boulevard.
"We're working really hard to get people out of their cars and onto public transportation and yet here we made it so awkward for them down to the train station whether you're walking or biking, but especially in your car," McEntee said in an interview.
David Matheson, who lives in Evergreen Park, on the other side of California Avenue, sees it differently. The street closure "brought new life and vitality to the area," he wrote to the council last week. He pushed back against the idea that the lack of car traffic is causing the struggles among retailers.
"To think opening the street to cars will address underlying business challenges for businesses like these is naïve and nostalgic," Matheson wrote. "We must not let their distress destroy the vitality that the street closure has created and threaten to revert Cal Ave to another dying downtown area."
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Mayfield
on Nov 2, 2023 at 6:59 pm
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on Nov 2, 2023 at 6:59 pm
I live near California Avenue and celebrate the changes there. It's more fun to walk and shop in a lively community than to drive to a soulless strip mall.
Two points:
California Avenue does not need parking spaces.
Three big parking structures are within a short block or two. There is ample parking on surrounding streets.
- Climate change and urban congestion are causing car use to be increasingly discouraged. Paris, London and other cities are forging ahead with the transition. Keeping California pedestrian-friendly is an important step Palo Alto can take.
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Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Nov 2, 2023 at 7:51 pm
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on Nov 2, 2023 at 7:51 pm
I recently had a midweek dinner on Cal Ave and it was a hot spot. I saw some stores that I didn't know was there. I feel if more stores were open they would get people walking in. We did go in one store, we did play games in the street, we did park in a garage (wow, they actually have electric signs to help you park and we have been waiting for these in downtown for at least a decade). Dinner was good, the vibe in the restaurant (inside) was wonderful. There were plenty of people dining outside at many restaurants but can't speak for all the inside ones.
The only negative was navigating our way out of the area. There are many roadblocks and I am not sure our GPS showed them all.
Overall it was a great evening out. I can't speak about daytime, but evening hot spots, it works! Get more stores open in the evening is my advice. It is different from Castro Street, so let it become it's own place.
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Esther Clark Park
on Nov 2, 2023 at 11:05 pm
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on Nov 2, 2023 at 11:05 pm
Cal Ave is the liveliest, best part of Palo Alto and the whole Mid-Peninsula thanks to the thriving restaurant scene -- and thanks to the street closure. Yes, things look a bit slap-dash and temporary, but that's because the restaurant owners can't invest more until the City makes the pedestrian ruling permanent. It seems wrong to blame recent retail closures on the car ban: Country Sun, for example, was a wonderful retail concept, decades ago. But its demise would seem to be due to GNC and the internet taking the vitamin and supplements business and every grocery store now offering organic foods. Don't blame the restaurants on retail closures; they're the best retailers on Cal Ave. And they attract foot traffic by day, not just dinner time. Long term, a bustling restaurant scene will drive new retailers and Cal Ave will be better than ever ... if we make the pedestrian zone permanent.
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Palo Verde
on Nov 3, 2023 at 6:49 am
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on Nov 3, 2023 at 6:49 am
I agree with the comments above, the area now is far more attractive than before and, with adjustments, could be made even better. The street closure has absolutely clearly improved the business of the many restaurants in the area (for those of individuals who are still COVID concerned, e.g., due to poor immune function, dining indoors remains not an option, but the current outdoor dining possibilities brings such people here). Sitting outside and having a meal or glass of wine in relative quiet, watching people walk by, enjoying the sunset is all wonderful. Yes, business has decreased for a few businesses, but to directly link that to the street closure requires one to make a lot of assumptions with a complete lack of data and clearly other strongly plausible explanations (internet shopping, competition from elsewhere). The idea that removing on street parking makes shopping less convenient is also rather odd since I could almost never park very close to anyplace I wanted to go on California Ave (the same applies for disabled parking, yes there used to be a few spaces on Calif Ave, but likely not closer than the disabled parking behind the businesses and they were clearly more difficult to use, e.g., moving out of a car and directly on to a busy street rather than a secured parking place in a lot). The extensive parking in the side streets now almost always allows one to park closer to where they are headed than in prior times trying to find on-street parking on Calif Ave. It's perfectly designed to allow for a closure in that businesses have access via the back streets (e.g., for deliveries) and parking is abundant on the side streets. So, I join the many people who say close it to traffic permanently and beautify the setting.
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Midtown
on Nov 3, 2023 at 9:28 am
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on Nov 3, 2023 at 9:28 am
The answer is NOT to add one lane of traffic. Seriously, “split the baby” and make no one happy? The restaurants with outdoor dining have made CA Ave a destination for many who don’t want to eat indoors or next to moving vehicles on University Av. Parking is easy to find a half block away (just behind CA Ave businesses) accessed from Cambridge or Sherman Aves.
Just keep CA Ave closed to vehicle traffic, and make the change permanent and more aesthetic. Planters should replace the ugly plastic barriers, and tent canopies should be replaced with sturdy structures. Regular street cleaning needs to be added by the city, or be assigned to the businesses.
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Landlords can and should lower the rent for empty spaces. Businesses need to adapt to the times and those that don’t will fail.
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College Terrace
on Nov 3, 2023 at 9:33 am
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on Nov 3, 2023 at 9:33 am
Overall, I would like to see California Avenue closed. However, I do want the street to look visually inviting!! More trees, LANDSCAPING, and comfortable public sitting areas for non-diners and families are needed. The walking area should be right down the middle of the street for pedestrians, strollers, bicycles, and emergency vehicles. Sidewalks should be eliminated and used for restaurant diners only. Large awnings coming from the restaurant buildings should be used instead of parklets. Parklets obstruct retail views and are redundant if you have a true walking street. Bicycles can be walked.
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College Terrace
on Nov 3, 2023 at 9:34 am
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on Nov 3, 2023 at 9:34 am
This decision should be made by the business owners on Cal Ave. EVERY SINGLE BUSINESS OWNER would like to have the street open to cars as it is hurting business in a major way. You think the UPS and FedEx drives like it? You think the Fire Department likes it when they need to respond to a call? OPEN CAL AVE UP.
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Palo Alto Orchards
on Nov 3, 2023 at 10:13 am
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on Nov 3, 2023 at 10:13 am
I guess I'll just continue using Main Street in Los Altos as my Downtown. It is more than just over priced restaurants and empty storefronts.
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Ventura
on Nov 3, 2023 at 10:19 am
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on Nov 3, 2023 at 10:19 am
Palo Altans want to keep Cal Av closed to cars. Above: Of the 356 respondents, 79.3% selected "closure to all traffic except emergency vehicles" and 71.3% chose "pedestrian promenade." Two-way vehicle access received support from just 10.3% of the respondents and one-lane access just 8.9%.
Time to move past the indecisiveness and move on to figure out a design that works for restaurants and retail. It can be done in a way that has clear signage that will increase business for everyone. Beautiful designs will bring people and business.
Let's not take 4 years like we did changing the street from 4 lanes to 2. Enough City Council.
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Leland Manor/Garland Drive
on Nov 3, 2023 at 11:30 am
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on Nov 3, 2023 at 11:30 am
We prefer no cars on California Ave.
When we decide on a dinner out date, we prefer Cal Ave over University using the new garage. We walk down the middle of the street deciding which restaurant in which to have dinner looking left and right. Afterward we may stop in a store to buy something including Mollie Stones being a favorite stop.
It is a nice environment without cars and with some design and development work, can be an attractive venue for a long time. I encourage the city not to use expensive consultants and bring in a group of PALY and Gunn students to create designs as Cal Ave is theirs in the future.
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Evergreen Park
on Nov 3, 2023 at 11:45 am
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on Nov 3, 2023 at 11:45 am
I think Castro Street in MV is a good model, although our Cal Ave is a lot smaller. I think its time to fish or cut bait here: the City Council needs to either open it up or permanently close it down. If they choose the latter, it needs to include some amount of infrastructure improvements and "beautification".
I really don't believe re-opening the street to car traffic is going to help the non-restaurants; there is now plenty of free public parking behind both sides of the street. I'm not sure what can be done about rents, which I think are the actual issue for all businesses in PA. But if Cal Ave had a few more non-restaurant retail shops that remained open into the evening, I think it would attract a lot more foot traffic to come to it and everyone (restaurant and non-restaurant) would benefit. We live in the neighborhood and are on Cal Ave 3 or 4 nights a week; if the Cobblery were open until 9pm, we'd be stopping in to shop (my wife and girls love all the stuff in there). On Castro in the evenings, there are always people in the Therapy store, Books Inc., the small markets, and the bars. I think there, the restaurants and retail shops exist symbiotically.
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Evergreen Park
on Nov 3, 2023 at 12:07 pm
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on Nov 3, 2023 at 12:07 pm
"In the early days of the pandemic, she greatly expanded the dining area outside Zareen's, adding spaces for dozens of diners."
Dozens?? How about 120+
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Evergreen Park
on Nov 3, 2023 at 12:57 pm
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on Nov 3, 2023 at 12:57 pm
The irony of people in favor of car-free Cal Ave driving to the area and finding convenient parking is not lost on me.
We have ‘experimented’ with a car free street for 3 years. Why not ‘experiment’ for one year with doing it differently? People claim this will not help the retailers. How do they know? Haven’t tried it. Have tried it other people’s way for the past 3 years. I am so sorry that the City and apparently many residents don’t consider the opinions of other types of businesses to be relevant or important. The City ruined this street by its inaction for 3 years. Now it will take years more to decide and actually implement changes. Look no farther than the ‘real’ downtown in Palo Alto for much more ‘vibrancy’ at most times of the say and a much more attractive environment.
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Midtown
on Nov 3, 2023 at 1:27 pm
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on Nov 3, 2023 at 1:27 pm
Stanford Shopping Center doesn’t need to drive a line of cars through their mall to ensure viable retail. Neither does Cal Ave.
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College Terrace
on Nov 3, 2023 at 1:46 pm
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on Nov 3, 2023 at 1:46 pm
@Garry Wyndham — Stanford Mall (SM) is synonymous w the automobile. Not walk friendly to or from, bicycle, unfriendly absolutely as a walking riding destination or shopping experience. Try riding to SM on bikes around holidays w your kids! Try to locate a good bike lock-up kiosk! my child was yelled at by a shopper in the parking lot . It was a mess of cars and us solo bike family. In fact I’d argue the said Mall was designed totally for lines of cars all around, up and down. To get in and get out! with no thought to alt transit methods. Really! Apples and oranges.
Where as.
Cal Ave is mixed use, residential, commercial, retail, public transit hub w train & bus . About the only similarity: both located on historic degraded, El Camino / Cal Trans controlled Highway.
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Los Altos
on Nov 3, 2023 at 3:00 pm
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on Nov 3, 2023 at 3:00 pm
Bystander says, “Get more stores open in the evening is my advice.” Many stores are family-run businesses. Should they work 12 – 14 hour days? Also, you may have read that it’s hard to hire help because of the housing shortage. Games and good vibes aren’t helping these people.
christucher says, “Long term, a bustling restaurant scene will drive new retailers and Cal Ave will be better than ever …” If that were true, why haven’t we seen new retailers fill up the empty spaces over the past year?
Cheese guy says, “Sitting outside and having a meal or glass of wine in relative quiet, watching people walk by, enjoying the sunset is all wonderful. Yes, business has decreased for a few businesses, …” So nice to know some people are enjoying the sunset while business owners struggle to make a living and can’t afford to sit outside with a glass of wine. [Portion removed.]
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Evergreen Park
on Nov 3, 2023 at 3:14 pm
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on Nov 3, 2023 at 3:14 pm
Stanford Shopping Center is a huge destination retail mall. Silly comparison.
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Los Altos
on Nov 3, 2023 at 3:19 pm
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on Nov 3, 2023 at 3:19 pm
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Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Nov 3, 2023 at 3:27 pm
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on Nov 3, 2023 at 3:27 pm
How special that the city has not one, not two, but three -- 3 -- retail consultants working on this and not one of those national and now global consultancies has local knowledge.
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College Terrace
on Nov 3, 2023 at 4:14 pm
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on Nov 3, 2023 at 4:14 pm
Sadly market forces including landlords (some) who insist on upper upper market rate rents, remote working, online shopping and the impact of a major reduction in commuters pouring off the trains have hurt brick and mortar retail. Both the European Cobblery and Country Sun have been impacted by the lack of the commuters and fewer tech employees working in the area. Their sales are not related to vehicles being restricted on California Avenue.
Restaurants are the magnets that bring people including Palo Alto residents and others to California Avenue. We have a unique environment where the pace is slow and relaxing. The Campilongo brothers owners of iTalico and Terun have not only great restos but their music scene has enhanced the atmosphere on the avenue which began during the pandemic. They have imagination.
Now with Builder's Remedy and more and more housing being approved along the El Camino Real we need California Avenue to remain car free.
I have witnessed cars blowing through stop signs on California Avenue at Ash Street before the avenue was restricted to vehicles. Now the space is safe. Families enjoy the ambience as well as other residents. Eighty percent of residents want the avenue to be free of cars.
These market forces mentioned earlier are the central issues impacting retail. Los Altos supports retail and landlords do not all charge high end rents. California Avenue lost several retailers to Los Altos for this very reason. I do agree that the city needs to step up the pace and move forward with design etc. Both Stone and Burt agree that the city must prioritize design.
It is beyond sad to see small businesses stressed as a result of the above mentioned pressures. Bringing cars to the avenue is not the answer in returning those businesses to healthy margins. Let's keep California Avenue's special environment that attracts people and offers respite from the hectic pace of living in Silicon Valley.
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Palo Verde School
on Nov 3, 2023 at 4:58 pm
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on Nov 3, 2023 at 4:58 pm
Nope. Leave it closed.
Not even open for discussion.
Re-street scape it and lets enjoy the quiet.
Plenty of parking available just a few steps away.
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Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Nov 3, 2023 at 5:06 pm
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on Nov 3, 2023 at 5:06 pm
I tend to think that it will be the restaurants that are the anchors for Cal Ave. We have lost so much retail due to online shopping, not because the street is closed to cars.
I would suggest, respectfully, that the retail considers opening hours from 11.30 am until 9 pm. I do understand that retail needs to have staff, but we are a university town, we have 2 high schools, some of this retail can employ students who live nearby. Attract the restaurant crowds to come in and browse before or after dinner and be open when the diners are there, not expecting shoppers at non dining hours. Weekend brunch would be the exception but once again, utilize local students. My betting is that having local students would attract the friends of the employed students to come and see what they are up to.
Retail is not going to be a draw. Online shopping is not going away. Impulse purchases and browsing will attract diners. Don't expect to change the online shoppers, turn the diners into shoppers.
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Southgate
on Nov 3, 2023 at 8:45 pm
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on Nov 3, 2023 at 8:45 pm
Leave it closed. Next question.
There is no sensible mixing of cars and pedestrians and diners. Give the cars one way traffic and they'll complain about a lack of parking, even though there is a new, underutilized parking garage one block off California. Make it easy for people to get to the parking that exists and walk less than a block to their destination.
That we're even having this debate is ridiculous.
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Ventura
on Nov 3, 2023 at 9:22 pm
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on Nov 3, 2023 at 9:22 pm
100% Keep California Ave for people, not cars.
We've lived in Ventura for nearly 10 years and never have we visited and enjoyed Cal ave as much as the past couple years. We go to _more_ of the non-restaurant businesses than ever before - the new hardware store, fedex, molly stone, and even real produce around the corner. And of course we go there far more often for the restaurants, coffee, and farmers market.
It is delightful! None of my friends, family, or neighbors have once complained about the parklets not matching or whatever. Those from out of town do comment on how great it is to be so quiet and friendly to walk on.
Sure let's consider some cost effective improvements to signage and maybe more city provide furniture / tables / park-games for kids etc. No need for a massive $$$ re-do, but I'm also ok if we want to fully rework the street as a pedestrian only space.
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Evergreen Park
on Nov 3, 2023 at 9:29 pm
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on Nov 3, 2023 at 9:29 pm
ALB: Cars now ignore the stop sign on College and race down Cambridge. Closing Cal Ave just moved those drivers (including racing food delivery cars) to neighborhood streets. Zareen’s has lot of business because it is the only reasonably priced restaurant on the street. Downtown seems to be doing just fine and is not closed to traffic. Cal Ave looks like a ghost town most times of the day, and that is not very attractive. Gott’s in Town & Country does drive a lot of business to Books, Inc., but I see none of that kind of activity along Cal Ave.
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Midtown
on Nov 4, 2023 at 9:53 am
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on Nov 4, 2023 at 9:53 am
YES YES YES.
ReOpen. I do not even consider going onto California Ave past 4yrs.
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Midtown
on Nov 4, 2023 at 9:55 am
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on Nov 4, 2023 at 9:55 am
FOLLOW UP to my RE-OPEN CALIFORNIA AVE comment.
I would defer to what the shop owners want. Not city planners,
nor any management makers.
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Evergreen Park
on Nov 4, 2023 at 10:00 am
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on Nov 4, 2023 at 10:00 am
"Zareen’s has lot of business because it is the only reasonably priced restaurant on the street."
Don't forget Mediterranean Wraps, which has been in business for over 20 years.
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Midtown
on Nov 4, 2023 at 12:14 pm
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on Nov 4, 2023 at 12:14 pm
Yes. Open the street and get rid of all the ugly road furniture blocking it.
Dining in a dirty street holds no appeal for me.
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Old Palo Alto
on Nov 4, 2023 at 12:15 pm
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on Nov 4, 2023 at 12:15 pm
As someone who spent 20 years on Cal Ave (in an office), and live nearby, put me firmly in the no cars group. This is the 21st Century: time to engineer cities for humans and not automobiles. Seriously: do it right. Make Cal Ave a model pedestrian mall area and it will thrive.
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Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Nov 4, 2023 at 12:19 pm
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on Nov 4, 2023 at 12:19 pm
Why no mention in this very long article of the fun Third Thursday music nights on Cal Ave??
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Downtown North
on Nov 4, 2023 at 2:26 pm
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on Nov 4, 2023 at 2:26 pm
Please re-open up California ave. The inability to drive up to the business is a huge factor in no longer visiting California ave.
For that matter, reopen up University ave as well.
There are businesses that have taken up an obnoxious amount of street space and the haphazard look of these street seating and covers are making the entire street look atrocious and it's becoming an eye sore.
The Taverna restaurant directly across from Wholefoods on Homer Avenue x Emerson is an example of taking up such an obnoxious amount of space (as it sits on a corner lot), it's outside seating is larger than it's inside restaurant. It takes up so much needed Wholefoods parking, it literally is obnoxious.
The pandemic allowed certain businesses on corner streets to have obnoxious street seating, while other businesses actually further suffered when cars were no longer able to drive up to it directly (and it was not in the business of outside restaurant seating).
Time to even out businesses with what the location initially allowed. Businesses determined their location based on cars accessing outside parking and driving when they established the location. Give the streets back and open up the car access to driving and parking. It's now 2023 and next year is 2024. Time to reopen up the streets, along California ave, University Ave and Homer ave (ie. Taverna's obnoxious hogging of street parking and side walk space)!
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Barron Park
on Nov 4, 2023 at 5:28 pm
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on Nov 4, 2023 at 5:28 pm
Cal Ave used to be vibrant and also offer a variety of businesses that kept it busy day and night. Now it is full of empty store fronts and only a handful of busy restaurants. The street is alive for a few hours at night, but a ghost town at all other hours. The street closure is not inviting from the terrible signage on El Camino. [Portion removed.] Third Thursday is one short night a month.
The street closure is doing nothing to help create a vibrant business district with more to it than a few restaurants. Not sure how an undesirable business district with empty storefronts and offices is helping make money for the city.
I can’t believe this is the state of Cal Ave amidst a tech boom, in the heart of Silicon Valley, near an Ivy League level university, in a city full of affluent, intelligent people. [Portion removed.]
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Evergreen Park
on Nov 4, 2023 at 6:45 pm
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on Nov 4, 2023 at 6:45 pm
If you want a place to walk in a peaceful setting with areas that are attractive and well maintained, we have Peers Park, Sarah Wallis Park (my favorite), Jerry Bowden Park, Mayfield Park, Cameron Park... All in our immediate CalAve area. A business district is for business/services, cars and delivery trucks are inevitable. Someone driving to get weekly groceries at Mollie Stone's (please let them NOT leave CalAve) should drive down & see store fronts, not navigate though our residential side streets. I needed a light bulb last week, I walked to our hardware store (please let them not move if the street stays closed) rather than Amazon or a drive to Home Depot. Going to campus, I might ride my bike. But I drive too (this doesn't make me an evil person). It is myopic, selfish, if not greedy, to not look out for all businesses/services/residents in our district. City Council, REOPEN CAL AVE TO CARS BEFORE WE ARE MORE OF A GHOST TOWN. That will mean it is REALLY quiet (if not creepy) for those pro-total closure, "restaurants only" voices.
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Evergreen Park
on Nov 4, 2023 at 7:32 pm
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on Nov 4, 2023 at 7:32 pm
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Menlo Park
on Nov 5, 2023 at 12:04 pm
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on Nov 5, 2023 at 12:04 pm
HERE’S THE REALITY:
1. Two, possibly three restaurant owners control how this is ultimately going to go down. If you’ve walked the closed area on California Avenue, you know EXACTLY which restaurants those are. They want the street to be permanently closed AND they want to occupy as much of it as possible - and really don’t care how this affects other businesses in the area - it’s the ‘kill or be killed - eat or be eaten’ mentality. Be it a temporary or permanent closure, these restaurants who have greedily taken advantage of the common areas past what was actually allotted for restaurant street expansion need to be taxed appropriately for every square foot of public space they have encroached.
2. THIS IS AN AREA FOR BUSINESSES - NOT FOR A CHILDREN’S PLAYGROUND. Nothing screams ‘stupid’ and fiscally irresponsible louder than a tacky, portable miniature golf course next to one of the busiest thoroughfares in the Bay Area. Add in oversized chess pieces, plastic picnic chairs. Let’s challenge the City to provide a spreadsheet showing ‘revenue generation’ from this tackiness. Doubtful these kids/families are patronizing any of the primarily upscale (i.e., PRICEY!) restaurants. The City has PARKS/PLAYGROUNDS!
3. To offset more vacancies on California Avenue and in the surrounding areas, building OWNERS need to receive a significant tax benefit/reduction as an incentive to lower rents to entice new businesses to occupy the vacant storefronts and offices. Perhaps the evenings are booming, but during the daytime/lunch hours - it’s a ghost town.
4. Most importantly, SAFETY needs to be addressed. If there’s a building fire, what will the access look like? What permanent ‘decorative structure’ might deter their access? The same for any life threatening emergency.
Aside from California Avenue, I have seen zero care from the City as to how this closure has negatively impacted businesses on the adjacent streets. Closure means a domino effect. All decisions MUST BE INCLUSIVE!
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Old Palo Alto
on Nov 5, 2023 at 12:59 pm
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on Nov 5, 2023 at 12:59 pm
The barrier wall against ECR is a hazardous mess. Set the water barriers back 75 feet to the next crosswalk across Cal Ave. There is a turn around there with the medium creating a “natural” round about. There are no restaurants in front of there — I just wonder how much design integration is going into these discussions ? And yes/no answer is an easy path of least resistance. Last night eating walking w out of town family in this closed enclave was fine yet then walking beyond the barrier to Molly Stones was another darker universe. Why not light up the street to the MS’s . Now traversing on foot is night and day experience . One section all lit up the next dark, closed near ominous in feel. Patch work as usual.
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Barron Park
on Nov 5, 2023 at 2:17 pm
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on Nov 5, 2023 at 2:17 pm
It is so sad that we, as a city, don't care about handicapped people at all. With the street closed, there is no accessibility for the handicapped. You cannot get a wheelchair into the back of most businesses. There is no Handicapped parking near the back of businesses. The roads behind the business are full of pot holes, speeders and other obstacles. There used to be space on CA avenue where you could drop someone off then go park and meet them. You can't do that with the street closed. Why does the city get to ignore these folks ?
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another community
on Nov 5, 2023 at 5:55 pm
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on Nov 5, 2023 at 5:55 pm
Opening the street to the same traffic that was accessible to all before COVID is not tantamount to closing the restaurants. The restaurants will stay open. The fact is the city is giving them a free enlarged footprint without having to pay more taxes, while discriminating against disabled people.
I think there is room for both. If all of the restaurants had been told when they first opened their business that they would have to serve people in the street, the owners would have cried foul. You can't have it both ways. I think all of the businesses would benefit from having a mixture of foot traffic and vehicle traffic. And keep the city from being hammered with ADA lawsuits.
"80% of respondents prefer to keep the street car-free" -- nobody asked me. It's no surprise that restaurants have a modest increase in business. But it's at the expense of the retail establishments. I wonder what will happen if someone does file an ADA lawsuit? The City is not prepared to go the distance. They will make eat streeting a thing of the past, post haste.
P.S. I just took a long road trip and perhaps the City needs to look at other places to discover what works and what doesn't. The dinosaurs in Cabazon are now surrounded by nothing but chain link fences around all of the prior establishments, eateries included. Just more proof that dinosaurs ate everything in sight until there is nothing left. Perhaps it is a metaphor, in the fact that dinosaurs were once king of the hill, and yet became extinct due to their eating habits.
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Crescent Park
on Nov 5, 2023 at 6:57 pm
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on Nov 5, 2023 at 6:57 pm
WHat is the legal obligation here?
The street has now been "temporarily" closed for years. There is no medical emergency. THere has been no study to say that the street is no longer needed for cars. Busses and trucks now go on neighborhood streets instead of downtown Cal Ave to get to Caltrain. There are real impacts and I think its necessary for the City to submit that the road is no longer needed in order to close it. This hasn't been done.
The business owners should threaten a lawsuit. Please Council, ask what the legal situation is here for keeping a street temporarily closed for SO long without either deciding to permanent close it and follow state law OR open it while you continue to study the issue (to at least one lane of vehicular traffic).
The street is not lively except during meal time. Compare University to Cal ave and the difference in liveliness and variety is very striking.
Terun, La Boheme, Itaico and Zareens are loud about keeping it closed. The rest of the businesses want it reopened. Zareen's really needs to pay rent - its using so much tax payer space, probably have 4 times the amount of dining space than what they are paying for. How is that fair to anyone?
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College Terrace
on Nov 5, 2023 at 7:20 pm
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on Nov 5, 2023 at 7:20 pm
How are the restaurants succeeding at the expense of retailers? Remote working, less tech commuters pouring off the trains, folks preferring to shop ONLINE, trends in fashion changed to casual, landlords where a changing of the guard brought in the super high charging landlords and this plague called Covid colluded to impose hardship on retailers. These economic factors are not the fault of restauranteurs. The restaurants bring life to California Avenue. Now the avenue is safe from cars rushing through stop signs. Families can relax and enjoy the slow pace of this pedestrian-friendly environment. Get ready for all of the dense housing coming to the El Camino Real which will bring more traffic. These buildings will also house folks who will be able to walk to California Avenue. We need the avenue to provide this singular
ambience where customers and residents can enjoy the distinctive atmosphere. The restaurants foster a social atmosphere where we can enjoy music and dining al fresco. There is plenty of parking in garages which are less than a block from California Avenue. The city needs to respect the residents who want the avenue to remain car free. The city needs to look at the fine example of State Street in Santa Barbara which is closed to cars and appreciated by residents, merchants and tourists. Time to select a smart design for California Avenue without delay.
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Evergreen Park
on Nov 5, 2023 at 7:48 pm
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on Nov 5, 2023 at 7:48 pm
Wow. I just took a look at the web link posted by Mr. Grafton.
So, if I read the city report correctly, there were 356 responses to an online survey and the majority (about 79%) favored closing California Avenue permanently. However, Palo Alto's population is 65,000 +. That doesn't seem right. I imagine most businesses have leases on California Avenue and a significant investment in those businesses as well. Don't they have a voice?
That doesn't seem fair.
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Mayfield
on Nov 6, 2023 at 11:30 am
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on Nov 6, 2023 at 11:30 am
The labor these restaurants put out is enormous. My son dropped off resumes for employment in this closed off, walled section of Cal Ave. all were not hiring. And then hours later, I ate with family at one of the enclosed street eating, table service places. The food staff were dripping w sweat running from inside to outside tables. Seemed overworked, stretched for time . I did not see extra staff working. It must as haphazard in scheduling staff w more tables yet the same number of staff as before the closure. Having worked as a food server for many years, I know how hard it is to take too many tables in sections wide apart from the commercial kitchen that dishes out the food (that many more steps to get hot food in front of diners). These kitchens were not designed for loads more tables outside. How does this addition of tables and customers get a food serve County health dept pass? What happened to max capacity based on size of kitchen etc?
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Evergreen Park
on Nov 7, 2023 at 9:39 am
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on Nov 7, 2023 at 9:39 am
To all the pro-closure pedestrians:
As mentioned in the article, the city council adopted a proposal to create bike lanes down the middle of California Ave, in order to relegate pedestrians to sidewalks. Their rationale: in order to increase business at retail stores. Every pro-closure person I've talked to enjoys the closure precisely because people are able to *walk* in the streets.
The council more than a few times referred to the future street as a 'promenade'. They're setting it up to be a bicycle freeway, with pedestrians on the sidewalks. This is hardly a promenade.
They also floated an idea to reverse the orientation of the farmers market booths, placing them back to back, with the bike lanes active, in between the back of the booths, so that the booths face outward toward the sidewalks and the shoppers have to walk around a perimeter.. This is a ludicrous proposal.
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Barron Park
on Nov 7, 2023 at 11:48 am
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on Nov 7, 2023 at 11:48 am
The Palo Alto City Council has made it clear that it does not care about small businesses. Over 35 businesses begged them to open the street and it fell on deaf ears.
Many pro-closure advocates pushed their own agendas without considering the needs of the businesses, in fact, many feel they know more about running a small businesses than the business owners themselves.
I am disheartened that the council and so many citizens didn't feel the needs of the businesses were more important than their own desires.
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College Terrace
on Nov 7, 2023 at 12:29 pm
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on Nov 7, 2023 at 12:29 pm
Pat Burt has a passion for transforming Palo Alto into the most bike friendly town on the Peninsula if not the nation.
So his first priority is for people on bikes, not pedestrians.
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Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Nov 7, 2023 at 1:19 pm
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on Nov 7, 2023 at 1:19 pm
Pat Burt also has a passion for pushing sustainability as if Palo Alto alone can solve the world's energy crisis with biking, traffic "calming" obstacles in the road that create gridlock and accidents and higher utility rates to encourage conservation which raise our rates more "because we didn't consume enough energy.
He assumes that PA residents can well afford to spend personally many tens of thousands of dollars buying new cars, new furnaces, new water heaters, new chargers etc. etc. although we're constantly warned to cut our demand for electricity during "peak" hours because demand's ALREADY too high.
At the same time, the city pleads poverty when it comes to underground wiring for more neighborhoods to prevent outages while spending hundreds of millions of dollars on a Fiber Network that only some neighborhoods can use and that's risky because it assumes we want to switch from the established players like AT&T (which has a contract to provide the city's fiber.
Kafka and Joseph Heller would be proud.
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College Terrace
on Nov 7, 2023 at 1:34 pm
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on Nov 7, 2023 at 1:34 pm
Pat Burt presented California Avenue's past history as one of decline since the it was closed off at the rail tracks. For more than four decades Cal Ave continued to be a vibrant busy shopping hub serving residents. So closure of the railroad wasn't the problem.
The problem for Cal Ave retail was that as Silicon Valley boomed, as did the number of new office developments in Palo Alto, city hall began to give priority to serving this democratic. Which included allowing replacement of traditional retail with conditional use permits to allow conversion of retail to (presumably more profitable) food serving establishments.
At the same time, also at the continuing behest of landlords, increasing Palo Alto's ever growing list of businesses euphemistically called "retail like" that could replace retail. Look no further than adding gyms to that list when almost immediately the last stationers on Cal Ave became a gym, along with another three training studios up and down Cal Ave.
As the number of "useful" retail establishments on Cal Ave has been gutted, now a sad and empty street outside of lunch time and evenings, Cal Ave has instead become a de-facto restaurant-centric destination. It's already a done deal. At this point Palo Alto should capitalize on and promote Cal Ave as primarily a safe "community building" traffic free destination for eating out. That also happens to be an excellent source of sales tax.
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Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Nov 7, 2023 at 3:27 pm
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on Nov 7, 2023 at 3:27 pm
"At the same time, also at the continuing behest of landlords, increasing Palo Alto's ever growing list of businesses euphemistically called "retail like" that could replace retail."
Also known as "fake retail."
Re the gyms and wrestling places, I'm always amazed that the retail consultants/ staff are so worried that nail and hair establishments discourage shopping since their patrons are inside the salons during the procedures but that the same logic isn't applied to gyms whose patrons are also inside during their sessions.
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Midtown
on Nov 7, 2023 at 4:35 pm
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on Nov 7, 2023 at 4:35 pm
As the world burns -- navelgazing Palo Alto, inside its bizarre, insulated clown-world bubble -- continues its worship of the antiquated two-wheeled contraption known as the bicycle, as it continues to obsessively wage its futile, ideological war on the single occupant commuter which is 99 percent of us. The automobile, a pillar that upholds our quality of life and ensures individual freedom of movement, should be cherished, and not demonized.
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Downtown North
on Nov 8, 2023 at 10:50 pm
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on Nov 8, 2023 at 10:50 pm
Can someone explain how Council announced an agenda discussing the #temporary# extension of Cal Ave's closure and #then# slipped in that the closure would be #permanent#.What???? Sounds like Council is trying to avoid public discourse and bypass listening to their constituents, again.
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Downtown North
on Nov 8, 2023 at 11:03 pm
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on Nov 8, 2023 at 11:03 pm
@Cheers to all; Well said and could not agree more. The City Council has basically ignored the boots on the street} people directly and most affected by this Quixotic pursuit by CC.
What does CC have to gain from this really? Nothing so GET UP AND GO CC!! Do something useful with the new relationship.