Read the full story here Web Link posted Thursday, March 15, 2018, 11:46 AM
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Stanford provost addresses sex-assault memorial
Original post made on Mar 15, 2018
Read the full story here Web Link posted Thursday, March 15, 2018, 11:46 AM
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a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Mar 15, 2018 at 12:41 pm
Still tone deaf after all these years...
a resident of Stanford
on Mar 15, 2018 at 1:04 pm
I think the first quote is really great. Did Brock's lawyers force the university to reject it?
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Mar 15, 2018 at 5:13 pm
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a resident of Midtown
on Mar 16, 2018 at 11:35 am
As a survivor of sexual abuse as a child, I found most comfort in the first of the 3 alternative quotes: "You are beautiful, you are to be valued, respected, undeniably, every minute of every day, you are powerful and nobody can take that away from you." Others may resonate more with other quotes, but for me, it focused on the positive message I need to hear to promote healing.
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 16, 2018 at 6:14 pm
Thank you, Stanford, and Provost Drell. Respectfully: The two initial quotes submitted are deeply problematic for other reasons. In the first, Doe is disturbed by the principle that Turner should be considered “innocent until proven guilty.” This is the basis of our legal system, and it hasn’t been an easy path to get here. Consider the alternative. (Actually, the alternative, guilty if simply accused, is exactly is what happening with recent social media *accusations* of improper behavior leading to men being fired or their careers ruined – vigilantism and rule of the mob in full swing.)
This kind of emotional outburst and rant against the legal system enshrined on a plaque really is not appropriate for a college in which sober intellectual inquiry is vaunted. It belongs more in a feminist reader of victim’s voices, or on an anonymous meme that many are happy to make viral on social media.
Of deeper importance, however: This is not the legal case to showcase the evils of sexual assault, and Stanford may have gone too far in even creating this garden because of this legal case. The case is a tragic lesson in the evils of drunkenness [portion removed.]
Do we want to live in a world where judges exercise their prerogative to compassionate sentencing or in a world where judges always give the severest sentence possible?
Where are the forums in which this kind of in-good-faith, nuanced conversations can happen, instead of these questions being shut down by activist voices who can only tolerate a black-and-white way of looking at things?
I wish deep healing for both Doe and Turner from this terrible situation. I’ve been dreading the plaque decision, and it’s good to hear good sense at Stanford prevailing.
a resident of Barron Park
on Mar 16, 2018 at 7:45 pm
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a resident of Fairmeadow
on Mar 16, 2018 at 10:50 pm
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a resident of College Terrace
on Mar 17, 2018 at 12:12 am
As a Stanford alum and parent of Stanford students, I find the provost's comments deeply disturbing and an all-too-common indication of how Stanford DOES NOT GET IT when it comes to sexual assault. @Stanford - you do not get to decide what is and is not healing for the community. Sexual assault of a terrible nature occurred at Stanford and all we have heard from Stanford is how the media gets it wrong, or how nobody understands Stanford's delicate position, or how Stanford has no comment. @Stanford, listen up - you are losing your students and your alums' respect. You do not understand the gravity of what is at stake, Stanford. Take a stand in support of your students, Stanford - you used to be a pillar of strength when I was a student (in the days when Stanford cared more about its students than about optics), and now you are a backpedaling, defensive nothing in the face of sexual assault.
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 17, 2018 at 9:35 am
@Carol, it is certainly Stanford’s decision what to install on a plaque. Activists can lobby them, but in this case they chose the correct road. My respect for Stanford is somewhat strengthened (though the fact that a bunch of students and staff have to decide sexual assault cases there - on explicitly way less than legal standards - still sends chills through me).
An anonymously written emotional outburst, no matter how deeply felt, which attacks a basis of our legal system (see my prev. post) and casts doubt on sexual victims ever being able to recover (“I am a human being who has been irreversibly hurt”) - it is certainly debatable whether that gives encouragement to or imparts a sense of hopelessness to survivors. (Female helplessness, actually, is one theme that has been observed to have come from the MeToo campaign - the perception that females are essentially powerless and cannot help themselves other than through anonymous twitter rants and accusations. Is this how we want to bring up our girls?)
The second quote, “you took away my worth… until today” is just as dark and hopeless, and its last two words ring false in the face of the first quote. (Where was that glimmer of hope in the first rant?)
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What about this question: Turner is sentenced to a life of being branded as a sex offender. Publicly. Not hidden under any pseudonym. He went through the legal system of the United States, and came out branded like this for life. Sorry, but I’m allowed to have compassion for him as well, in addition to Doe. This move to absolutely, 100% demonize someone who went through the legal system is coming from some place that is beyond the particular circumstance at hand. It is not fair. In the US we judge cases based on that circumstance only, not on the "sins of our ancestors" (in this case, the feminist stereotype of "white men").
Or how about a matching plaque with a statement of Turner's that drunkenness is a problem on campuses? That's not controversial at all, and drunkenness is certainly a huge factor in this case.
a resident of Gunn High School
on Mar 17, 2018 at 10:19 am
There are many strong emotions on both sides of this issue, but it would be refreshing to see more thankfulness rather than divisiveness, particularly by the activists. It is generous that Stanford agreed to and supported this lovely space. And if Stanford agreed to create a "peaceful space for our community" and "hoped that the garden would be a restorative place of comfort, healing, and purposeful reflection" then they have fulfilled their agreement.
"You are beautiful, you are to be valued, respected, undeniably, every minute of every day, you are powerful and nobody can take that away from you."
What a powerful message to have inscribed for all to consider and absorb!
a resident of Fairmeadow
on Mar 17, 2018 at 10:23 am
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a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 17, 2018 at 12:07 pm
@ferdinand - thank you for your thoughtful contribution to this discussion and your non-divisive attitude. We all need this.
[Portion removed.] Reasonable people can and do differ in what they see as the main lesson from a particular situation. That is a relevant topic to discuss in the comments section of this article. [Portion removed.]
I do not have a right to express my opinion on this particular online forum, which exists by the grace of the PA Weekly and *under their terms*. Thus, I accept the moderator’s editing (though I wish I knew why some of my post was edited). Doe does not have a right to have her anonymous rant enshrined on a plaque at Stanford. That Prof. Dauber calls this “censorship” on the part of Stanford (last paragraph) is mind-boggling. [Portion removed.]
a resident of Evergreen Park
on Mar 17, 2018 at 4:58 pm
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a resident of Community Center
on Mar 17, 2018 at 8:18 pm
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