Read the full story here Web Link posted Friday, August 10, 2018, 9:12 AM
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Paly releases revised, now-compliant bell schedule
Original post made on Aug 10, 2018
Read the full story here Web Link posted Friday, August 10, 2018, 9:12 AM
Comments (17)
a resident of Downtown North
on Aug 10, 2018 at 11:09 am
Not sure why the later start times were scrapped other than because of a one time short fall of 9 total hours during one year. Are the later start times now off the table??? This article does not state what or if Paly is going to restructure the bell schedule for later start times so that our children can remain sane and safe in my opinion, in a over managed and age inappropriate academic climate.
a resident of Downtown North
on Aug 10, 2018 at 11:19 am
I find it grossly irresponsible that a "committee of champions" and our school community can make such life changing bell schedules that affect the health and well being of our Paly student body - and in the next nano-second (two days before schools commences) to only totally reverse course and take back everything but 5 minutes. Very sad for our children's academic schedule and daily school lives. Who are making such bold and decisive decisions around anyway?
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 10, 2018 at 11:21 am
It is about time that American schools faced the reality that they have a shorter academic day as well as a shorter academic day than their counterparts in the rest of the world. The over emphasis on sports teams is also worrying. Nothing against sport and exercise, but the emphasis on academic education rather than sports scholarships is something unique to America and unheard of in most western countries.
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 10, 2018 at 1:36 pm
Here's Paly's recent record for mandated minimum instructional minutes:
2017-18 - deficient - at least 535 minutes short, according to this article: Web Link
2016-17 - deficient - 37 hours - according to Ms. Diorio in this article (Gunn was short too): Web Link
2014-15 - deficient - according to this article: Web Link
Why won't PAUSD provide the instructional minutes that the law mandates?
a resident of Crescent Park
on Aug 10, 2018 at 3:25 pm
Wonder if it’s a cultural problem where sleep little, work long, work hard. (Sigh emoji)
I’m all for siestas and shorter work days!
Wish it could be a federal mandate that it wasn’t an 8-hour day for the kids and adults ;)
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Aug 10, 2018 at 3:45 pm
Regarding school board candidate, Kathy Jordan's comments in which she "questions the validity of counting tutorial as instructional time", is she suggesting that classes should be longer--From 90 to 95 minutes to recapture those minutes being used during Tutorial? The article suggests the auditor has stated the updated schedule is in compliance, so she doesn't agree with the auditor? Ms. Jordan has participated in these threads before, so perhaps a clarification could be provided?
a resident of Green Acres
on Aug 10, 2018 at 3:49 pm
Green Acres parent is a registered user.
I'm disappointed that the committee responsible for coming up with the new schedule failed to satisfy all the legal requirements imposed by the state. The new schedule was supposedly vetted by experts, but I'd be willing to bet that it, too, will eventually be found to not satisfy all the legal requirements. Hopefully next year we can have a schedule that provides sufficient instructional minutes without any "creative accounting", as well as a later start time.
a resident of Downtown North
on Aug 10, 2018 at 3:58 pm
To better prepare our children for college, shouldn't the archaic HS bell system be eliminated?
Time management skills (on the part of the teacher) would be requisite.
Bells are OK for children in elementary school.
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Aug 10, 2018 at 5:22 pm
Kathy Jordan is a registered user.
@Clarification:
The CDE is the one that makes the rules.
The CDE frowns upon scheduling non-instructional study hall type periods (tutorial) at the beginning or at the end of the day for compliance reasons. Counting these non instructional minutes as minimum instructional minutes requires compulsory attendance throughout the period, and the students must be under the immediate control and supervision of certificated personnel throughout the whole period (CDE Fiscal Management Advisory 8606). Paly has not adhered to these attendance practices for tutorial in the past, which is why there would be a question going forward about the validity of counting these minutes as minimum instructional minutes, if Paly continues to utilize the same attendance practices for tutorial as it has in the past.
Gunn expressly placed tutorial (they call it flex I believe) in the middle of the school day in its new 2017-18 bell schedule to be able to count non instructional tutorial/flex minutes as minimum instructional minutes, as Gunn had been deficient in instructional minutes in 2016-17.
I'd simply like to see our students receive the mandated minimum instructional minutes they're entitled to under the law.
Hope that clarifies things.
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Aug 10, 2018 at 11:04 pm
@Kathy:. Yes, that does clarify. The concern is not that Tutorial is inherently out if compliance but the timing of Tutorial is concerning.
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Aug 11, 2018 at 8:20 am
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a resident of University South
on Aug 11, 2018 at 9:25 am
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a resident of Downtown North
on Aug 11, 2018 at 12:44 pm
Doesn't homework count as learning time? If not, what's it for? Or are instructional time and learning time not the same thing?
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Aug 11, 2018 at 1:18 pm
It’s simple: the most basic would be to have Paly on the same schedule as Gunn.
Quit ultra-early doctoring for extra credits/ quit unnecessary non-scheduled time/study hall/tutorial, whatever you want to call it; bring the school immediately into line with the law and to the standard (high, I hope); where you want this school to stand.
Gunn had a schedule in 1970’s that I recommend be considered for Paly. (I don’t know if Gunn still operates A and B days...)
Require electronics to be turned off and put away during instructional time.
We need more solid instruction time like Europe and a longer school year would also be wise.
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Aug 12, 2018 at 5:14 pm
GraceBrown is a registered user.
In a student centered organization, not a family, staff, or special interests one, it seems to make more sense to go with the research-based American Academy of Pediatricians recommendations over outdated CDE legislation or anecdotal opinions.
The bell schedule ought to focus on the needs of adolescents, rather than the other way around.
Let's work together to impress upon our state representatives to make the needed legislative changes in order to support what we all know is best for teens.To that end, I'd be interested in hearing from those running for the PAUSD school board about their ideas working collaboratively with Jerry Hill and Marc Berman.
With respect,
gb
a resident of College Terrace
on Aug 12, 2018 at 8:16 pm
The CDE doesn't prevent a school from starting at whatever time they like. It is just a matter of how many hours you want in the day and how many are devoted to instruction. If they put instruction first it won't be hard.
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Aug 12, 2018 at 8:36 pm
Samuel L. is a registered user.
A later start time has been shown to be beneficial to teen students. However, I don't think that should mean that students are shortchanged in the classroom. I would think that fewer instructional minutes could actually be more stressful than following the state minimum. If a teacher has X amount of material to cover in Y days, to have to cover it in Y - Z days would cause that teacher to rush through some material and/or not be able to give students enough time to grasp difficult concepts, review or edit their work. Now they're forced to learn the material in a shorter time span. That doesn't seem like it would reduce the stress.
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