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Becker bill seeks to end 'cruel' price markups at prison stores

Original post made on Sep 18, 2023

Seeking to curb what he calls cruel and egregious markups at California prisons, state Sen. Josh Becker is spearheading a law that would cap prices on items sold at canteen stores.

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Posted by Mondoman
a resident of Green Acres
on Sep 18, 2023 at 1:19 pm

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This seems like a scheme to subsidize prisoners. Normal stores typically have a 100% markup (50% of final cost). The state will now be losing money on what it sells to prisoners.

If there are issues of too little food or missing necessities, why not address those rather than instituting a blanket subsidy for prisoners?


Posted by Jennifer
a resident of another community
on Sep 18, 2023 at 3:09 pm

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I pay more than $1 per roll and $3.60 per stick, and I don't drink coffee. As far as food, they eat for free at the taxpayers' expense. They don't need to be munching on chips and snacking on candy. Are they smoking weed all day? Fruits and vegetables are healthier even though they do have plenty of time for exercise. My compassion is for the victims of crime, not the perp. If and when they get out of prison, the slimmer the better. They're not "vulnerable." They're hardened criminals. The "cruelty?" When he held a gun to he/she? Give me a break.


Posted by Anonymous
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Sep 18, 2023 at 4:15 pm

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What an odd focus for State Senator Josh Becker. I would prefer to vote in a new state senator who represents his/her constituents.


Posted by Jennifer
a resident of another community
on Sep 18, 2023 at 6:25 pm

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It's a very odd focus, but there is nothing normal about far-left and far-right extremists. They're a threat to democracy, and you never know how far-left or far-right someone swings until they're in office. They'll say anything to get elected, and the truth comes out once they get there.


Posted by MyFeelz
a resident of another community
on Sep 18, 2023 at 8:00 pm

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How about some legislation to cap prices of meal replacement drinks for people who can't eat regular food? I usually buy it to have some in the car on road trips. It used to be easier to down a bottle of that instead of wasting time at a freeway ramp fast food joint. It now costs 3x what it did before grandpa Joe told us to suck up some inflation to save democracy in Ukraine. I know this is an unpopular viewpoint, but I am about DONE with sucking up inflation to benefit a concept. Ukraine isn't even a country anymore. It's just a memory. I'd like my "pre-Ukraine War price gouging" to stop. As for Becker, it seems like he may have bedded a prison rights advocate or something. His efforts to stamp out high prices at prison canteens makes me wonder if he is visiting somebody on the regular that he has to buy snacks for. edited: I had a nephew visiting and he had a jailhouse honey he was talking to using my landline. Even back in the pre-celll phone days the fees were ridiculous. The best way to reduce the fees is stop accepting collect calls from prisoners.


Posted by Alice Schaffer Smith
a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 18, 2023 at 10:12 pm

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Another abuse of prisoners is California prison workers do not get paid the minimum wage for their work performed for others while in prison, the equivalent of slave labor. It is important to make a constitutional amendment to remove "involuntary servitude" in the State of California and ensure that a minimum wage applies to all workers.

I wholeheartedly support Senator Becker's sensitive and important protection against price-gouging of our incarcerated prisoners.


Posted by ALB
a resident of College Terrace
on Sep 18, 2023 at 11:23 pm

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Right on Alice Schaffer Smith as Becker is doing ethical work in righting a wrong. Mitzvah in the vernacular means good deed but the original sense is commandment.


Posted by Mondoman
a resident of Green Acres
on Sep 19, 2023 at 12:29 am

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Maybe institute a prison "normal/living" minimum wage, then deduct meals, clothing, lodging expenses, etc. That way everything is fair and more transparent, even though the monetary end result would be similar to the current situation.


Posted by Jennifer
a resident of another community
on Sep 19, 2023 at 8:27 am

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A "normal/living minimum wage" wouldn't come close to their living expenses. Housing, medical costs, food, etc. would be over $100k. I've read paying them minimum wage would cost $1.5 billion annually, and the money isn't there. In the words of Steve Glazer (D) they've "lost their liberties" and he goes on to say he's "unapologetic" in the way he feels. So am I. Criminals chose a life of crime because they're selfish, greedy and they're narcissists. While the rest of us work for what we have, they chose another route. I don't believe they're in prison because they grew up poor, etc. There are a lot of poor people with values. They're in prison because they lack character, they got caught and they're serving their time. Enablers making excuses for them add fuel to the fire. Once they get out, they've served their time. They're still incarcerated.


Posted by GTSpencer
a resident of Midtown
on Sep 19, 2023 at 5:42 pm

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Novel idea......don't go to jail.


Posted by MyFeelz
a resident of another community
on Sep 19, 2023 at 5:52 pm

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Anyone who is interested in learning about the use of incarcerated people to work for free (basically it's called SLAVERY) should watch a documentary called "13th". It's a netflix original documentary, free at youtube. Web Link Prison industries are big business, and Becker makes me laugh trying to lower the price for toothpaste for prisoners while ignoring the obvious -- state slaves who work for free because if they don't, they have to stay in their cage. Becker is in on the joke, and likely bagged a lobbyist who now demands payment for services rendered. Canteen prices are a ridiulous "ill" needing remedying? No. How about releasing prisoners who in many cases made plea deals and are now stuck with "work, or stay in your cell" as the only options? That's a cause worth fighting for. Not capping prices on candy bars and potato chips.


Posted by Online Name
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Sep 19, 2023 at 6:13 pm

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@ MyFeelz, indeed, especially since much of that slave labor involves telemarketing and fund-raising where they have access to people's personal information and get to request even more personal and financial info. For years there have been news stories about how that info gets misused, sold, etc.


Posted by Novelera
a resident of Midtown
on Sep 19, 2023 at 7:13 pm

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Who are these self-righteous sourpusses who seem to have no empathy? A bill helping other human beings avoid outrageous price markups is commendable.


Posted by Mondoman
a resident of Green Acres
on Sep 20, 2023 at 7:04 am

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@Novelera I think the point is that the current markups are normal, not outrageous (at least based on my shopping). In any case, taking money from people who have not committed any crime to subsidize those who have seems like the wrong incentive structure.


Posted by Jennifer
a resident of another community
on Sep 20, 2023 at 9:11 am

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We're all dealing with price gouging at the grocery stores, etc. and it stands to reason that's why prices are higher at the canteen. It is the wrong incentive structure, and normal, reasonable people understand this. In the words of another poster... stay out of jail.


Posted by NTB2
a resident of College Terrace
on Sep 22, 2023 at 12:57 am

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Okay so there is a prison canteen food mark up. Bad. Yet. Becker is always barking at the wrong tree.

Hello Becker. Lethal cell gassing is going on right now. FYI: before inmates get to any gruel at a prison “food court” they are sickened by inhalation of poison. Toxic Smoke is in the air. Becker barks at the wrong end of the jail sentence .

This is wrong. he is diverting attention away from inhumane practices by snowing us over w prison food court price gauging.

Go to any windowless Costco warehouse. Price gauging abounds — yet we are free to shove a cart over while the customer moves ever so slowly musing down the isle for the next free sample — shopping meditation? I am trying to get the hay out a there with a few essentials to feed my children. And the gassing continues. Dump Becker. He’s useless.


Posted by One Town Over
a resident of Mountain View
on Sep 22, 2023 at 9:12 am

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We need to be making prison even more miserable. If we lengthen prison sentences and make prison so miserable (whippings, hard labor, rotten food, etc) it’ll solve crime because no one will want to risk going to prison.


Posted by Yolanda Harris
a resident of East Palo Alto
on Sep 22, 2023 at 4:45 pm

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The food in state prison is better than county jail because the inmates are being vocationally trained to become cooks upon release. There are many vocational programs in state prisons.

Some incarcerees prefer state prison over county jail because of the better food and the privacy of a cell over mass housing in barracks.

Commissary goods are always costly regardless of the venue but the options are limited. It's like going to CVS for snack food and personal items.


Posted by MyFeelz
a resident of another community
on Sep 22, 2023 at 8:13 pm

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@One Town Over, how about this: Leave them in tents in the sun, making them wear pink underwear and feed them green bologna that isn't even fit for dogs to eat? It's been done, and it hasn't reduced crime in Arizona one bit. The stuff about whippings -- we have civil rights laws that prevent "cruel and unusual punishment". Some prisoners are only there due to minor offenses. Bill Clinton enacted some of the worst crime legislation, called "three strikes" and then later, to support his wife's candidacy, admitted it was bad legislation that destroyed families and communities. The worst thing about it is that even though the crafter of the legislation admits it was horrible, it hasn't brought anybody home. Watch "13th" at youtube. If that doesn't soften your heart any, you may not have one at all.


Posted by Jennifer
a resident of another community
on Sep 22, 2023 at 11:57 pm

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The "cruel and unusual punishment" happened when he committed MURDER, CHILD MOLESTATION, RAPE, ARMED ROBBERY, etc. Your "compassion" is misplaced. Most of us have compassion for the victims as well as the victims' families. In the words of Marc Klass "I'd trade it all in for one more hug." Feel free to have "compassion" for Richard Allen Davis. What destroys "families and communities" is the criminal element.


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